Assistant Professor Goes on a Killing Spree

[countryboy]

Out of the four countries, Canada is the only one which has strict gun control and it has the lowest murder rate of the four.

What do you mean by "strict gun control?" We have a system of registering guns for law-abiding citizens who wish to use them for recreational purposes such as target shooting and hunting. I'm not sure how that reduces crimes committed with guns.

According to the news clips I've seen where police departments show the caches of illegal and unregistered weapons seized from gangs and other other criminals, we don't seem to have effective "strict gun control."

That term is a Liberal-inspired fantasy designed to make people think they're all safe and protected. And we all know that a fantasy is the opposite of a reality. And in the case of gun registration, it's a cumbersome, ineffective, expensive, and intrusive fantasy.

The really sad part is that when crimes are committed with illegal guns, liberal judges are the first ones to hand out soft sentences, thus driving the entire issue down to a new level of silliness.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

The whole thing is bizarre, countryboy. You don't expect an academic to do this kind of thing (at least I wouldn't). Also, you wouldn't expect a woman to do it, hardly any of the people who go on shooting spree are women. Here we have a female academic, I would think the least likely of all demographics to go on a rampage.

It would be like a Trappist monk or a Quaker going on a shooting spree.

Well, off the top of my head, I can think of Valerey Fabrikant,(an academic, but a man), a faculty member at Concordia University who shot and killed 4 collegues and wounded a staff member.

Then there's the police woman in London Ont who shot her lover, (another cop) and then herself. Now here's where statistics get interesting, this incident was listed as two victims rather than a female villain - male victim domestic dispute. Since there was only one other domestic murder that year, and committed by a man, that put the statisctics at 100% male upon female, where it is in actual fact 50/50, (which is pretty close to the national average). It is also the woman who is more likely reach for and use a weapon more often than a man in fits of anger or passion, but stats are likewise skewed to not reflect this fact for reasons that suit those with an agenda.

As I've said in other posts, I have been a party to the gathering and dissemination of statistical data and know how it is done to achieve a desired result. Statistics govern your expectations of a certain demographic? Trust them at your peril.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

What do you mean by "strict gun control?" We have a system of registering guns for law-abiding citizens who wish to use them for recreational purposes such as target shooting and hunting. I'm not sure how that reduces crimes committed with guns.

It doesn't, and was never meant to. Governments fear armed citizens, and in every case throughout history where strict gun, (or other defensive arms) control is inevitably replaced by confiscation, crime, murder and opression always follows, with the main perpetrator being the government or an invading force. Whosoever wants you unarmed also wants you submissive.

 

[countryboy]

It doesn't, and was never meant to. Governments fear armed citizens, and in every case throughout history where strict gun, (or other defensive arms) control is inevitably replaced by confiscation, crime, murder and opression always follows, with the main perpetrator being the government or an invading force. Whosoever wants you unarmed also wants you submissive.

Yep, I agree. The "Dog Whisperer" guy on TV always gets his subjects into a "calm and submissive" state to control them. Seems to work on dogs too! :lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So, I wonder which demographics would be the ones most likely to go on a shooting spree? Any thoughts?

I think statistics would tell us that it is single white male (who is not an academic).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Just to balance the thought, a well-aimed automobile can take out multiple victims with one "shot", and there is rarely a chance that the victim(s) can or will "return fire."

I think the "moment of passion" applies to automobiles too...isn't it called "road rage?"

Quite so, but the primary purpose of automobile is not to kill, it is to travel (same as the primary purpose of a kitchen knife would be to cut vegetables, not to kill). The primary purpose of a gun is to kill, that is a big difference.

Indeed, gun is one of the few products which, if used according to the manufacturer’s recommendations, can result in serious harm, serious injury. There are very few products like that (cigarettes would be another).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

What do you mean by "strict gun control?" We have a system of registering guns for law-abiding citizens who wish to use them for recreational purposes such as target shooting and hunting. I'm not sure how that reduces crimes committed with guns.

That is called 'strict gun control'.

That term is a Liberal-inspired fantasy designed to make people think they're all safe and protected. And we all know that a fantasy is the opposite of a reality. And in the case of gun registration, it's a cumbersome, ineffective, expensive, and intrusive fantasy.

That is not a fantasy, that is a reality. Canada is one of the safest places, one of the safest countries in the world.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Well, off the top of my head, I can think of Valerey Fabrikant,(an academic, but a man), a faculty member at Concordia University who shot and killed 4 collegues and wounded a staff member.

Then there's the police woman in London Ont who shot her lover, (another cop) and then herself. Now here's where statistics get interesting, this incident was listed as two victims rather than a female villain - male victim domestic dispute. Since there was only one other domestic murder that year, and committed by a man, that put the statisctics at 100% male upon female, where it is in actual fact 50/50, (which is pretty close to the national average). It is also the woman who is more likely reach for and use a weapon more often than a man in fits of anger or passion, but stats are likewise skewed to not reflect this fact for reasons that suit those with an agenda.

As I've said in other posts, I have been a party to the gathering and dissemination of statistical data and know how it is done to achieve a desired result. Statistics govern your expectations of a certain demographic? Trust them at your peril.

Neither of the two cases you have mentioned involve a female academic, bob. I still maintain it is one of the least likely of demographics to go on a shooting spree.

 

[lone wolf]

I thought I had heard everything, but this is truly a bizarre story. An Assistant Professor of Biology went on the rampage, killed the head of the Biology Departments and two Associate professors and wounded three more.

I wouldn’t have thought that academics would be capable of such irrational behavior, but I suppose we are all human beings, and susceptible to same emotions, prejudices and biases.

Apparently the reason she went on the rampage was that she was denied the tenure. For those not in the know, as Assistant Professor does not have tenure, while an Associate Professor is usually tenured.

Professor charged in Alabama university shooting - CNN.com

If you were going to turn it into a gun control rant, you might have been aghast about it being a gun used ... instead of a person of such station or a woman.

 

[DaSleeper]

What do you mean by "strict gun control?" We have a system of registering guns for law-abiding citizens who wish to use them for recreational purposes such as target shooting and hunting. I'm not sure how that reduces crimes committed with guns.

Funny thing Countryboy,,,,up in Northern Ontario one wouldn't think of leaving his vehicle unlocked on a back road and going for a walk ...in the summertime ....but come the hunting season...nobody thinks twice about leaving the motor running to step out and go into the bush after a partridge or a ruffed grouse....sometimes for quite a while when looking for it.
Wonder if the knowledge that everyone at that time of the year in the bush has a gun has anything to do with it?:lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Funny thing Countryboy,,,,up in Northern Ontario one wouldn't think of leaving his vehicle unlocked on a back road and going for a walk ...in the summertime ....but come the hunting season...nobody thinks twice about leaving the motor running to step out and go into the bush after a partridge or a ruffed grouse....sometimes for quite a while when looking for it.
Wonder if the knowledge that everyone at that time of the year in the bush has a gun has anything to do with it?:lol:

And how many people are killed accidentally during hunting season? I remember reading a few years back that a fair number got killed in accidents during hunting season in USA each year.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

In this respect, I remember reading a cartoon on this subject when I was at University of Utah (that was in the 70s) in the student newspaper (hunting enthusiasts may not find it funny).

A man has shot accidentally another man while hunting. The man is lying dead and the killer has his finger in his mouth, in a feeling of puzzlement and regret.

The pot bellied game warden says to him “All right, fella! This is gonna cost ya. Let’s have your hunting license.”

 

[Johnnny]

Guns dont kill people i do.... More crazy people = more murders

More guns doesnt = more murders

when i was a kid, my dad had enough rifles and handguns (before they were required to be registered) to arm the ENTIRE neighbourhood... Last i checked my family hasnt killed anyone

 

[DaSleeper]

Guns dont kill people i do.... More crazy people = more murders

More guns doesnt = more murders

when i was a kid, my dad had enough rifles and handguns (before they were required to be registered) to arm the ENTIRE neighbourhood... Last i checked my family hasnt killed anyone

Quite so, quite so;-):lol: Johnny... I'm sure the number of firearms per capita during the hunting season in the bush is much higher than Toronto and except for the odd accident nobody gets hurt.....but as we say up north....You can't teach a dill pickle nuttin':roll::lol:

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Neither of the two cases you have mentioned involve a female academic, bob. I still maintain it is one of the least likely of demographics to go on a shooting spree.

You're splitting hairs, "female academic" isn't really a demographic, besides, it was you that did separate the female and academic criteria. I've seen the pidgeon hole and wide cast net techniques used often enough;-).

 

[ironsides]

Neither of the two cases you have mentioned involve a female academic, bob. I still maintain it is one of the least likely of demographics to go on a shooting spree.

This female academic person your mentioning killed her brother with a shotgun. It was deemed a accident at the time, but now the police think it might have been a cover-up. College degrees do not stop killings.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

And how many people are killed accidentally during hunting season? I remember reading a few years back that a fair number got killed in accidents during hunting season in USA each year.

If any good came out of Canada's Draconian firearms legislation I would say it is the requirement to take a course, (unfortunately they even got the practicality of that part wrong, because it doesn't require anyone to demonstrate proficiency in actual use). Regardless, the incidence of accidental shootings during legal use has dropped dramatically in the East, in fact to zero in four years for NS.

But again, I feel that if it is a requirement to demonstrate proficiency, it should only be if you wish to carry a firearm, any firearm, including pistols, concealed or otherwise, in public, and you should be allowed to do so at all times once that test is passed.

 

[countryboy]

If any good came out of Canada's Draconian firearms legislation I would say it is the requirement to take a course, (unfortunately they even got the practicality of that part wrong, because it doesn't require anyone to demonstrate proficiency in actual use). Regardless, the incidence of accidental shootings during legal use has dropped dramatically in the East, in fact to zero in four years for NS.

But again, I feel that if it is a requirement to demonstrate proficiency, it should only be if you wish to carry a firearm, any firearm, including pistols, concealed or otherwise, in public, and you should be allowed to do so at all times once that test is passed.

Our Boater Cards are a simlar joke. There is no "road test" for getting one - just a simple quiz. But, after you have the card you can go out and drive many different kinds of boats right out into the ocean, if you want. I've had mine for years and I can tell you the difference between a "wake" and a "wash." Impressive facts to some, but does it prove I can actually drive a boat with proficiency? No. Same thing as the gun licences. Imagine if you could go out and fly an airplane after passing ground school only! That is pure "academia" (book learnin', as we say in the country) taken to a ridiculous extreme.

It's like turning out a university graduate - who has learned all kinds of important knowledge - out into the real world. There is no real experience yet (thank goodness doctors have to do some real world internships) so proficiency in applying their newly learned skills and knowledge comes after a period of time "on the job." Well, it comes to most of them that way. You could call it "hands on" experience, which - one more time - nobody has to prove in the gun or boat licensing areas.

I realize this kind of nonsense makes some of the voters feel better about things, but it has nothing to do with reality.

 

[countryboy]

And how many people are killed accidentally during hunting season? I remember reading a few years back that a fair number got killed in accidents during hunting season in USA each year.

Are you suggesting hunting should be banned?

 

[countryboy]

In this respect, I remember reading a cartoon on this subject when I was at University of Utah (that was in the 70s) in the student newspaper (hunting enthusiasts may not find it funny).

A man has shot accidentally another man while hunting. The man is lying dead and the killer has his finger in his mouth, in a feeling of puzzlement and regret.

The pot bellied game warden says to him “All right, fella! This is gonna cost ya. Let’s have your hunting license.”

Actually, that joke says a lot. Especially if you do a little word substitution and apply it to driving a car. They always ask for your license. And you point is...?