Arizona's Immigration Law

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Looks like the Arizona Immigration Law will hold up. The Judge may be agreeing with the state of Arizona.


"Why can't Arizona be as inhospitable as they wish to people who have entered or remained in the United States?" U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton asked in a pointed exchange with Deputy Solicitor General Edwin S. Kneedler. Her comment came during a rare federal court hearing in the Justice Department's lawsuit against Arizona and Gov. Jan Brewer (R).

Bolton, a Democratic appointee, also questioned a core part of the Justice Department's argument that she should declare the law unconstitutional: that it is "preempted" by federal law because immigration enforcement is an exclusive federal prerogative.
"How is there a preemption issue?" the judge asked. "I understand there may be other issues, but you're arguing preemption. Where is the preemption if everybody who is arrested for some crime has their immigration status checked?"

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YukonJack

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ironsides, just like I said it another thread:

Arizone law sholud have been: Shoot on site.
Shoot to kill.
Lay landmines along the border.

This approach worked remarkably well for the former Soviet Union and its enslaved satellites to keep people in.

No reason to think that it would not work just as well to keep people out.
 

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Yeah gotta keep those ****ing foreigners out. Especially the non-whites, right Yukon Jack? Auslanders raus, raus!!
 

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petros, have you ever lived in Arizona? Or New Mexico? Or Texas? Or California?

No, you probably never left your daddy's basement.
 

petros

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Do you know why people are forced to move north Yukon Jack? Why do they come north to pick vegetables? More money? To get welfare? To leech off Canadians like you?
 

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petros, as usual, you avoided a direct answer to a straight-forward question. No surprise there, just a typical left-wing dodge.

Why are people "forced" to move North?

Maybe because their own government stabs them in the back? Maybe because in Mexico class distinction is a way of life? Maybe because being a dropout from Grade 1 is not a qualification for anything more deserving than what they have? Maybe because they think that the world in general and America in particular owes them a living? Maybe because having a brown skin entitles them to invade someone else's country? Maybe because their Church tells them that sending 10 dollars to Rome is better than sending 10 pesos every Sunday? Maybe because all they have to do is knock up a broad and have an anchor baby will qualify them for a life of welfare?

Since you claim that you lived in New Mexico, you must know the answer.
 

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petros, as usual, you avoided a direct answer to a straight-forward question. No surprise there, just a typical left-wing dodge.

Why are people "forced" to move North?

Maybe because their own government stabs them in the back? Maybe because in Mexico class distinction is a way of life? Maybe because being a dropout from Grade 1 is not a qualification for anything more deserving than what they have? Maybe because they think that the world in general and America in particular owes them a living? Maybe because having a brown skin entitles them to invade someone else's country? Maybe because their Church tells them that sending 10 dollars to Rome is better than sending 10 pesos every Sunday? Maybe because all they have to do is knock up a broad and have an anchor baby will qualify them for a life of welfare?

Since you claim that you lived in New Mexico, you must know the answer.
Some **** wad like you decided to cut all waterflow from ALL rivers into Mexico starving them and leaving them without an agricultural economy.

That's why they are coming north.
 

YukonJack

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petros, take a good look at the atlas. You know, the book that shows maps of different countries of the world. The same one that was taught when you were absent from school.

Now, then, show me and the world all the water that was supposed to flow to Mexico and the United States in their racist cruelty stopped the flow of.
 

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petros, take a good look at the atlas. You know, the book that shows maps of different countries of the world. The same one that was taught when you were absent from school.

Now, then, show me and the world all the water that was supposed to flow to Mexico and the United States in their racist cruelty stopped the flow of.

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[SIZE=+3]F[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ifty years ago Aldo Leopold hailed the Colorado River delta as North America's greatest oasis: Two million acres of wetlands, cienegas, lagoons, tidal pools, jaguars and mesquite scrublands. Today it's a wasteland.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The mighty Colorado River no longer reaches the Sea of Cortez. Its entire annual flow has diverted and spit out into hay fields, water fountains in front of Vegas hotels and thousands of golf courses. The Colorado has been sucked up to the last drop.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]It's once lush delta is now a salt flat, as barren as Carthage after Scipio Africanus took his revenge on Hannibal's homeland. This estuary used to be one of the wonders of the world: a vast wetland, teeming with more than 400 species of plants and animals. In fact, like the Nile, another desert river, nearly 80 percent of the riparian habitat for the entire Colorado River was once clustered near the mouth of the river. The shallow lagoons in the delta region are home to the Vacquita dolphin, at four feet in length the world's smallest, which is now on the brink of extinction, with only 100 animals known to exist. Dozens of other endemic species are in the same shape.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]And not just animals are in trouble. The delta was once the cultural mecca of the Copacha Indians, who made a good living fishing the estuary. But these days the fishing boats are beached and the Indians and Mexican residents are in grinding poverty, forced to work multiple jobs in distant tortilla factories, maquiladoras and wheat fields.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Perhaps, the only legal framework as mind-numbing as the Law of Sea is the Law of the Colorado River. This thicket of deals, trade-offs, set-asides, subsidies and politically sanctioned thievery is nearly impenetrable to even the most seasoned and cyncial observer. But from the Mexican side of the border, the law is devastatingly simple: The US retains 95 percent of the Colorado River's water and Mexico gets what's left over. Most years this is about 1.5 million acre feet, roughly the same amount that Sonoran desert farmers were using to irrigate their bean and onion fields in 1922.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+3]J[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ust before the Colorado crosses the US/Mexico border 75 percent of its flow is diverted into the All-American canal. From there the water is flushed into wasteful irrigation systems and it eventually trickles down into the Salton Sea, once an important stop on the Pacific flyway for migratory birds now a toxic soup of fertilizer and pesticide runoff. Instead of a bird paradise, the Salton Sea has become a killing ground, the avian equivalent of cancer alley.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The water that eventually makes it to Mexico-much of it run-off from Arizona and California alfalfa and cotton fields-- is nearly as salt-laden and toxic as that in the Salton Sea. The situation is so extreme that the Bureau of Reclamation was compelled to build a $211 "reverse-osmosis" desalination plant at Yuma, Arizona. But that plant, built in 1992, has only operated for a year.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]It comes down to consumption. People in the American southwest have yet to come to turns with the fact that they live in a desert. Per capita water use by the residents of California, Nevada and Arizona ranges up to as much as 200 gallons a day, more than 120 percent above the daily average for the rest of the nation. In Israel, for example, daily water consumption is less than 75 gallons.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]But as stark as these numbers are the thirst of California agribusiness is downright vampirish by comparison. Nearly, 80 percent of the Colorado's flow goes to corporate farming. Much of it to low-valued crops, such as alfalfa, cotton and even potatoes, that require lots of water. And because of their political clout they get the water cheap. Residents of Los Angeles, for example, pay as much as $600 per acre-foot for water from the Colorado. Big agribusiness is getting the same water for only $13 per acre foot.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]For nearly 150 years, the attitude of the water users of the American West has been guided by one dictate: "use it or lose it." The notion of allowing any water to remain in the river, for fish, for birds, for rafters, or for Mexico, has long been anathema to the water lords.

"Scientists say we need at least one-percent to keep the Colorado River delta on life-support," says David Orr, of the Moab, Utah-based Glen Canyon Action Network. "That's why we started the One-percent for the Delta Campaign. We're asking all of the water users in the Colorado basin to donate one-percent of their allocation to help restore the delta. One percent's not a lot to ask, is it?"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]The question is rhetorical, because Orr knows better than anyone that the history of western water politics is based on this paradigm: use it or lose it. That's why the Colorado and its tributaries are dammed and diverted from Wyoming to the Mexican border. For the water lords' perspective, it's better to waste the water than to leave it in the river. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]That's how we got Glen Canyon Dam, one of the world's greatest desecrations of nature. This concrete plug flooded nearly 300 miles of the Colorado, destroying one of the most glorious canyons on earth. But the impounded water-the equivilent of two years of the river's entire flow--just sits there. Lake Powell is what's known as a storage reservoir. It's there to merely keep the water from reaching the Sea of Cortez where it would be "lost." [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]But here's where we arrive at just how perverse the system has become. Because Lake Powell sits in the middle of a redrock desert, it loses a lot of water every year to evaporation. How much? More than a million acre feet. Moreover, another 350,000 acre feet are absorbed into the sandstone walls of the canyon. All told that represents ten percent of the Colorado's yearly flow. To put it in perspective: the evaporation loss in a single day is equal to the amount of water used by 17,000 homes in Phoenix over an entire year.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]This grim fact has led to a radical but sensible idea: tear down Glen Canyon dam, restore the canyon and let the water return to the delta, where it can replenish that once teeming oasis. To promote this outlandishly appropriate plan, Orr and his colleagues have taken to the road in a water-tanker truck, stopping at dams along the course of the Colorado, taking a bucket of water from each stop and into pouring the holds of the tanker, ultimately delivering it to the Colorado Delta. They've named their truck "Vaquita Rescue", after the rare porpoise.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+3]T[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]his is the face of the new environmental movement: ethnically diverse, smart, theatrical, militant, and armed with a passion for social and ecological justice as well as a sense of humor--true descendents of their mentors David Brower and Edward Abbey. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Riding along with the truck on several of its stops in the Four Corners region was Thomas Morris, the head of the Navajo Medicine Men's Association. Morris sees the damming of the Colorado as an assault on the cultural and spiritual roots of native people throughout the Southwest. Many of the sites most sacred to Morris and the Navajo tribe are now buried under hundreds of feet of water, destined for Phoenix subdivisions and golf courses.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]"Preserving our cultural traditions is more important but harder to do as time goes by," says Morris. "Indian people have worked hard to gain protection for our spiritual beliefs and practices, for the places where we make prayers, sing songs, and hold ceremonies. We have seen some progress, but there is still a long way to go. Imagine how it might feel if the great cathedrals were bulldozed for strip malls. The Bible tells how Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temple. We can relate to that when we see our sacred places flooded and turned into tourist attractions."[/SIZE]
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Rio Grande:

The river creates an approximately 2,000-mile border between Texas and Mexico, serving as a gateway for North American Free Trade Agreement commerce. It serves roughly 1 million people on each side of the border, with agricultural interests and municipalities drawing from the river in a complex system of 1,600 water-rights accounts.
Old photos show a river deep enough and wide enough at its mouth for ocean-going ships. At Brownsville, which is about 10 miles from the Gulf, the water was about 100 feet across decades ago. Now it has been reduced to maybe 15 or 20 feet across. Sometimes it goes dry altogether.
Grain sorghum, cotton, and corn fields -- mostly on the Mexican side of the border -- are wilting, in part because of the lack of irrigation water.
For several days in May, water released from the Falcon Dam just south of Laredo did not reach Matamoros, Mexico, the last city to receive Rio Grande water, causing at least 100,000 city taps to run dry. Matamoros officials are now talking about rationing.
At Falcon Dam, the water is so low that the rubble of towns that were flooded when the dam was built in 1953 has emerged from the depths. Some people on the Mexican side have even moved into the homes.
There is no talk of dredging. The official solution seems to be to wait for a tropical storm or hurricane, for which South Texas is long overdue. Such storms, which tend to occur during the summer and early fall, can provide enough water to fill the Rio Grande and its dams.
The situation for U.S. farmers and municipalities may improve by the end of July, when Mexico is due to release half of the nearly 500 billion gallons of river water it owes the United States under a water-sharing treaty.
One problem is the nonnative hyacinth and hydrilla, weeds that have no natural predator in the Rio Grande. Since Mexico will not agree to the chemical controls U.S. officials have suggested, machines may be brought in to tear out some of the weeds. But they are expected to grow back.
Environmentalists are concerned about the loss of the estuary, a sheltered area where salt water mixes with fresh water to create a natural nursery for shrimp and other marine life.
``As water evaporates it will get hypersaline. All the freshwater stuff will die,'' University of Texas marine biology professor Paul Montagna said. ``It's become more like a stagnant lake than a river. Any organisms that need to use this as a nursery can't get out.''
The shrimp loss already is noticeable, said Tony Reisinger, marine extension agent with Texas A&M University at Edinburg.
Environmentalists say now is the time to revamp international water-use plans to protect natural resources.
``I think it'd be a blessing if we did have a (weather) event, but in the long run we are going to have to plan,'' Reisinger said. ``The major user of water here is agriculture. Some of the transport methods are antiquated -- open canals, ditches with high evaporation rates and a lot of leakage. I think they could probably start there and save enough water.''

Yup. Everything is good for Mexican farmers, they have all the water they need to stave off starvation and make a living and don't have to go where the water is. May as well mine the border just to keep them there in their Garden of Eden.

Starving people make less of a mess when blown to bits.

****ing jackass.
 

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petros, the Colorado River is an AMERICAN river. American have absolutely no obligation to give any of its water to Mexico.

And even if it did, the Colorado River has a section of only about 50 or so miles on Mexican territory. To say that it is drained and the people of Mexico therefore, have no choice but be law-breaking criminals in a country that they don't belong to, is not only irresponsible but downrigth idiotic. That 50 or so miles of the Colorado on Mexican territory might affect no more than about 1% of the two million square kilometers of Mexico.

But if you want to talk about shutting water off, maybe you shouldtalk to the farmers in California whose water sut off in order to preservre a useless two-inch minnow. Look it up. The water was shut off by your favourite Democrats.
 

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lone wolf, absolutely!

The Red River, year after year gives nothing but head ache to Manitoba. Let Americans shut the water flow off, we will say, THANK YOU!!
 

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lone wolf, absolutely!

The Red River, year after year gives nothing but head ache to Manitoba. Let Americans shut the water flow off, we will say, THANK YOU!!
Is Mexico part of NAFTA? What does NAFTA say about restricting water?

The Assiniboine runs right through my farmland. Does that mean I should dam it and keep it for me and screw MB?

I'm going to give you an opportunity of a lifetime. How about I come pick you up in WPG and we go to Brandon to go Mexican bashing and maybe blow a few up. They are illegal and took your job. Are you going to walk the walk or just flap your jowls.

We can be in Brandon by 6PM if I leave now. Are you in?

Are you ready and willing to prove yourself?
 

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petros, it is plain to see that you have gone totally bonkers.

I will not put you on ignore because i will still need an addition to my morning chuckles that your posts provide. But yu clearly do not deserve a response.

The last word is yours.

Bye, Bye!!
 

petros

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petros, it is plain to see that you have gone totally bonkers.

I will not put you on ignore because i will still need an addition to my morning chuckles that your posts provide. But yu clearly do not deserve a response.

The last word is yours.

Bye, Bye!!
Why would you trurn down an opportunity to kill the people you say should be killed? They are Mexican and they are in Brandon illegally picking the veggies you buy at your local store and taking you job.

I want to see you do what you flippantly claim should be done. I'll supply the guns, baseball bats, video camera and explosives.

Come on. What are you waiting for. I'm sure everyone here would love to see the video of you actually doing what you say should be done.

Do you have the balls? I do. Who will we have to face for peers when we are doing the "right" thing?

We'll get Order of Canada medals from Harper and be national heros to all the types just like you.

Do you have the balls to do it in person or you prefer somebody else do the killing and starving of millions?


They are just ****ing Indians right Jack? Who cares?
 

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So, when you say it's working you mean all the Latinos leaving right? Legal US citiznes are also leaving...and they are leaving for places like Pennsylvania...

Good job Arizona, this is sure to be a b___ for the state economy.