Arizona's Immigration Law

FreeQuebec

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No, not at all. That being, all of that is just silly.

Let's try this another way. You offer evidence. Source?

Well let's just say I did warn you. I won't argue it anymore. I'm just saying it for your own protection. These people don't like Whites or Blacks, and don't want you in New Aztlan. So if you have any sense good man, you will oppose them or at least not live amongst them.
 

Machjo

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But I am surprised you have an Internet connection, out in the ocean.

Ok, ‘tit pure laine. Tsu pouras pa googlé sesi. Konait-tsu o moin un peut d’fransais? Dzit moi s’ke tsu pense dzu rôle d’un Québec souv’rain o nivo internasional.

Don't even try to google this one 'cause you won't succeed.
 

Machjo

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If 'Free Quebec' can't understand the post above, then I'll have to conclude he's an Anglo in disguise.
 

TenPenny

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Blood is red or inside the body transparent. And that argument is useless. You are ignorant if you would deny the claims of a Nobel prize winning scientist, who says Africa is too stupid to help (to paraphrase).

If you want to prove him wrong, go ahead. But don't come crying to me when they rape you and use your body parts as magical properties.

First off, you are the one who claimed that not all blood is the same colour, not me.

Second of all, someone with a Nobel prize in microbiology is no more an expert on intelligence than he is an expert on the internal combustion engine.

And by the way, I've got fiber-to-the home, buddy. 22MBps dowload, 5.5 upload.
 

FreeQuebec

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If 'Free Quebec' can't understand the post above, then I'll have to conclude he's an Anglo in disguise.

Yes I can understand French without using a Google translator. Why would you even consider that? I just don't type it here because this is an English forum, is it not?
 

Machjo

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Well that is a step up from using your left hand, is it not? You must be the most cultured hick in the trailer park! Maybe your family tree is not just a straight pole, but a trident shape? Did you get the first power lines put up, or is it still a windmill system? Who trained you how to operate a computer? Must have been an incredible feat? Too bad I missed that on the news.

Free Quebec, montre toi la face.
 

Machjo

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Yes I can understand French without using a Google translator. Why would you even consider that? I just don't type it here because this is an English forum, is it not?

What a convenient excuse, you fake. Most Quebecers who are just as bigoted as you usually don't know English and have no interest in learning it.
 

Machjo

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Yes I can understand French without using a Google translator. Why would you even consider that? I just don't type it here because this is an English forum, is it not?

So if you understood my post, then certainly you could answer it in English, no?
 

Icarus27k

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Another interesting fact: Most unathorized immigrants pay U.S. taxes. From a December 2007 Congressional Budget Office report:


"According to available estimates, there are about 12 million unauthorized immigrants in the United States. Federal, state, and local governments spend public funds that benefit those immigrants, and those immigrants pay individual income, sales, and property taxes. Most available studies conclude that the unauthorized population pays less in state and local taxes than it costs state and local governments to provide services to that population. However, those estimates have significant limitations; they are not a suitable basis for developing an aggregate national effect across all states.

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"Data from the Social Security Administraion (SSA) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) suggest that some unathorized immigrants use false or fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers (SSNs) to satisfy paperwork requirements during the hiring process and that employers use those numbers to withold federal, state, and local income and payroll taxes for employees. Workers who do not qualify for SSNs can use Individual Tax Identification Numbers issued by the IRS to file tax returns, make payments, and apply for refunds. Although there are no reliable data on unathorized immigrants' rate of compliance with tax laws, the IRS estimates that about 6 million unathorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year. Other researchers estimate that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unathorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.

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"As part of a larger study on migration, the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at the University of California at San Diego conducted a survey of unathorized immigrants and found that, in 2006, 75 percent had taxes witheld from their paychecks, filed tax returns, or both."


http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf#page=5
 

Icarus27k

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So let's review.

These immigrants don't increase violent crime or property crime. Most of them pay taxes. They may speak a different language in a country that doesn't recognize any official languages. And sound economic theory says that immigration has a neutral to positive effect on the economy. The only problem being when there is a disparity of wealth in a society, which can easily be addressed by (1) increasing educational opportunities for poor immigrants and (2) increasing immigration of more professional, wealthy people.


So... What's the problem?
 

ironsides

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Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan

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WASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.
Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.

But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.
While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.
While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.
A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.
Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.
King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.
Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.
As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.
According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.
While the federal government doesn't track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths, it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.
In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:
  • The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;
  • Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;
  • 36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.
"While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"
Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
 

ironsides

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The simple truth is that we've lost control of our own borders, and no nation can do that and survive." — President Ronald Reagan


THE NATIONAL POLICY INSTITUTE was founded to address real life issues: * How many times have you relocated to find a "good" school for your children — or neighbors that you can relate to? * Do you commute a great distance to work so your family can live in a safe and affordable neighborhood? * When was the last time you received just recognition at the office for carrying not only your workload but compensating for a coworker who was hired as an affirmative action applicant? * Why is there resistance to establishing English as our nation's official language? * Why can't we deport illegal aliens and tighten border security? * Why should our neighborhoods be Stalking playgrounds for alien gang members, such as the Central American- based MS-13—described by Newsweek as this country's most deadly gang?

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Icarus27k

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So, some guy for WorldNetDaily estimated this from prison data, news reports, and "independent research", based on his guess of how many unathorized immigrants are in the US? Color me skeptical about their methodology.

I'll continue to go with the FBI and state government stats.
 

ironsides

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Here are some more sources for ya.
Immigration law enforcement has been a key ingredient contributing to the success of criminal gang suppression efforts in many jurisdictions across the United States. Since 2005, the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has arrested more than 8,000 gangsters from more than 700 different gangs as part of a special initiative known as Operation Community Shield. This effort has produced incalculable public safety benefits for American communities, despite being criticized periodically by immigrant and civil liberties advocates that are consistently opposed to all immigration law enforcement.
Local governments and law enforcement agencies that shun involvement in immigration law enforcement are missing an opportunity to protect their communities from criminal immigrant gang activity. Policymakers should take further steps to institutionalize partnerships between state and local law enforcement agencies and ICE in order to address gang and other crime problems with a connection to immigration.
Immigrant gangs1 are considered a unique public safety threat due to their members’ propensity for violence and their involvement in transnational crime. The latest national gang threat assessment noted that Hispanic gang membership has been growing, especially in the Northeast and the South, and that areas with new immigrant populations are especially vulnerable to gang activity. 2 A large share of the immigrant gangsters in the most notorious gangs such as Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13), Surenos-13, and 18th Street are illegal aliens. Their illegal status means they are especially vulnerable to law enforcement, and local authorities should take advantage of the immigration tools available in order to disrupt criminal gang activity, remove gang members from American communities, and deter their return. Once explained, these measures find much support, especially in immigrant communities where gang crime is rampant.
Taking Back the Streets: ICE and Local Law Enforcement Target Immigrant Gangs | Center for Immigration Studies


Gang follows illegal aliens - Washington Times

Illegal Immigrant Gangs Commit Most U.S. Crime | Judicial Watch