Are Mormons Christians?

Vaessen

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Having an opinion on how they work, and expecting them to work differently aren't the same thing. I for example may find the ideas behind mormonism to be odd, not suited to me, but why would I WANT them to change their views to suit me when I'm not even a member/believer? More pointedly, why on earth would you give two hoots if a priest can marry or not, why would you want it to change, even if you find it pointless?

I don't live in the sudan but I'd still prefer if they don't kill each other. have you no interest in the greater good?
 

karrie

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I can see picking apart policies of a church that impact the safety of others. Views that put society at risk. But seriously, if you don't belong to the church, why would anyone care what changes they make? Whether or not priests can marry is between them and their church. Why would someone who has said, over and over again that they don't belong to that church, want to change it? Other than to try to make sure that the whole world thinks and acts like they do?

I don't live in the sudan but I'd still prefer if they don't kill each other. have you no interest in the greater good?

Not even a full page back. Nice try though.
 

Vaessen

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Not even a full page back. Nice try though.


It was not a nice try. Your theory is still flawed. I would describe it as morally lazy. MLK Jr. once said (and this is the second time I've used this quote in like 20 posts), "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." does one really need a reason to protest injustice other than that it's injustice?
 

karrie

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It was not a nice try. Your theory is still flawed. I would describe it as morally lazy. MLK Jr. once said (and this is the second time I've used this quote in like 20 posts), "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." does one really need a reason to protest injustice other than that it's injustice?

I think you'd need a full other thread to explain how what people choose as a religion of their own free will is injustice. The issue I was discussing is not one that threatens public safety. It is entered into only by choice, and membership is raelly only by active participation. Someone believing they are married to God hardly constitutes an injustice.
 

VanIsle

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Having an opinion on how they work, and expecting them to work differently aren't the same thing. I for example may find the ideas behind mormonism to be odd, not suited to me, but why would I WANT them to change their views to suit me when I'm not even a member/believer? More pointedly, why on earth would you give two hoots if a priest can marry or not, why would you want it to change, even if you find it pointless?
I'm sorry but I think your whole conversation to me is pointless. I gave an opinion and that's what you did too. My OPINION is that priests should be allowed to marry. Your OPINION differs. What does it matter? You have a right to state yours and I have a right to state mine.
 

Vaessen

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I think you'd need a full other thread to explain how what people choose as a religion of their own free will is injustice. The issue I was discussing is not one that threatens public safety. It is entered into only by choice, and membership is raelly only by active participation. Someone believing they are married to God hardly constitutes an injustice.
Really? so nobody in that or any religion is there because they are forced? Interesting.

And someone believing they are married to God can constitute an injustice. You could make a strong case that these people have been coerced with lies and manipulation into living lives that don't provide basic human needs. It may not be genocide but it is still an injustice. Not only that, it is still debate worthy. People may not have a rooting interest in the result but there is still something noble about having the debate.
 

karrie

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I'm sorry but I think your whole conversation to me is pointless. I gave an opinion and that's what you did too. My OPINION is that priests should be allowed to marry. Your OPINION differs. What does it matter? You have a right to state yours and I have a right to state mine.

I guess it comes down to wording and intent. You stated that you want them to be allowed to marry, which made me wonder why the investment of desire into something you don't belong to. But if you're not willing to discuss, don't worry about it, feel free to ignore the conversation and walk away.
 

VanIsle

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I think you'd need a full other thread to explain how what people choose as a religion of their own free will is injustice. The issue I was discussing is not one that threatens public safety. It is entered into only by choice, and membership is raelly only by active participation. Someone believing they are married to God hardly constitutes an injustice.
Anyone who truly believes in God and then believes they are married to Him does not abuse children.
 

karrie

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Anyone who truly believes in God and then believes they are married to Him does not abuse children.

Anyone who desires to be a better person never sins? I doubt that very much.

Also, married men still abuse children in the same population percentages as priests do, so I don't get how pedophilia factors into your desire to see them marry. So they have children of their own to molest? It doesn't make much sense to me.
 

Vaessen

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I guess it comes down to wording and intent. You stated that you want them to be allowed to marry, which made me wonder why the investment of desire into something you don't belong to. But if you're not willing to discuss, don't worry about it, feel free to ignore the conversation and walk away.


Hahahaha, sorry this is just absolutely ridiculous.

Anyone who desires to be a better person never sins? I doubt that very much.

Also, married men still abuse children in the same population percentages as priests do, so I don't get how pedophilia factors into your desire to see them marry. So they have children of their own to molest? It doesn't make much sense to me.

Where are you getting your statistics?
 

karrie

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Really? so nobody in that or any religion is there because they are forced? Interesting.

And someone believing they are married to God can constitute an injustice. You could make a strong case that these people have been coerced with lies and manipulation into living lives that don't provide basic human needs. It may not be genocide but it is still an injustice. Not only that, it is still debate worthy. People may not have a rooting interest in the result but there is still something noble about having the debate.


Explain concisely how it is an injustice to you for someone else to believe differently than you do.
 

Cliffy

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Anyone who truly believes in God and then believes they are married to Him does not abuse children.
Religious beliefs do not over ride a person's basic character make up. There are pedophiles in every race, creed and political leaning. It is part of human nature (not everyone's of course, but they are there) like rapists, murderers, psychos, etc. Every group has them all from saints to monsters. Part of the job of civilization is to figure out what to do about it. It has nothing to do with being a priest or a baseball player.
 

gerryh

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It was not a nice try. Your theory is still flawed. I would describe it as morally lazy. MLK Jr. once said (and this is the second time I've used this quote in like 20 posts), "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." does one really need a reason to protest injustice other than that it's injustice?

Where exactly is the "injustice"? Roman Catholic Priests enter into the Priesthood knowing full well what is expected of them. That being the inability for them to marry, since they are married to the Church, and abstinence. They have enetered in to the Priesthood with full knowledge and acceptance.
 

karrie

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Hahahaha, sorry this is just absolutely ridiculous.



Where are you getting your statistics?

This forum has more than once covered the population statistics on pedophiles comparative to the priesthood. Feel free to do the research for yourself.