Back on topic, sort of. I've known several Mormons fairly well, including a guy who for several years was in the office next to mine and was the local Mormon bishop. Mormons have a lay priesthood, it's not a full time job like it is for most denominations that have priests and bishops and so on. There's no doubt in my mind that they're Christians, and they certainly consider themselves to be so, they just think they have a new revelation. God was apparently vexed enough with humanity at one point to withdraw from the world, but by 1830 he'd calmed down enough to come back and try for a fresh start in the New World, hence all that bumph about the golden plates and the angel Moroni (always sounded like a Latinized plural for moron to me) and the Book of Mormon and all the rest of it. And hence the official name, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. These are the latter days to them, very much reminiscent of the apocalyptic claims of certain other Christian sects, and since god wasn't around for a long time before 1830, nobody who rose to sainthood before that is legitimate. Only in these latter days can there be legitimate saints. The most interesting thing about these Latter Day Saints to me is that, like Scientology, there is documentary proof of its completely fraudulent origins, yet still people buy it.
Reminds me of one of my favourite jokes. The Pope is addressing a hastily assembled emergency meeting of the College of Cardinals and announces, "Gentlemen, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that the second advent has occurred, Jesus has returned as promised, I was speaking to Him a short while ago and there's no question it's Him." The cardinals were amazed and delighted until one of them thought to say, "That's wonderful Your Eminence, what could possibly be the bad news?" And the Pope said, "He called me from Salt Lake City."
I told that one to the Mormon bishop, and he laughed, then said quite seriously, "That's what we believe, you know." Then I laughed.
Reminds me of one of my favourite jokes. The Pope is addressing a hastily assembled emergency meeting of the College of Cardinals and announces, "Gentlemen, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that the second advent has occurred, Jesus has returned as promised, I was speaking to Him a short while ago and there's no question it's Him." The cardinals were amazed and delighted until one of them thought to say, "That's wonderful Your Eminence, what could possibly be the bad news?" And the Pope said, "He called me from Salt Lake City."
I told that one to the Mormon bishop, and he laughed, then said quite seriously, "That's what we believe, you know." Then I laughed.