Are Catholics above the law in Ontario?

Just the Facts

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Very well...

Shut down all RC schools and move the kids into the public system...

That's fair enough.

I've actually supported that all along, from the perspective that by accepting public money, the board relinquishes executive independence. They'd be better off to fund themselves.

I don't know much about the history. Some people mentioned it was a concession as a condition for confederation. That would give it special status.
 

lone wolf

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I've actually supported that all along, from the perspective that by accepting public money, the board relinquishes executive independence. They'd be better off to fund themselves.

I don't know much about the history. Some people mentioned it was a concession as a condition for confederation. That would give it special status.

Was it a concession for confederation, or an extension of rights - language and religion - granted to Franco-Canadians who chose to remain loyal to the king during the American Revolution? Either way, Catholic education has roots too deep to be easily extracted.

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Zzarchov

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Its part of our constitution, its part of confederation.

You've got about as much luck getting Catholics to give up their special consideration now that they don't need it anymore as you would getting Natives to give up their treaty rights, as getting any protected group (of the big four) to give up their privelages just because the new generation isn't bigoted like the old.

And good for them, I can't blame em, you gave me some special right I can't say I'd just throw it away to be fair.
 

CDNBear

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Of course, that way EVERYBODY get's a substandard education.
So what you are saying is, that not only is the existance of the seperate school system in breach of the fundamental cornerstone of democracy, seperation of church and state, but that they are recieving a better education then the children attending the public school system?

Very well,

We need to end the in-eqaulity today, and invest that money and expertise, into the public system...ASAP.

Thanx for pointing that out gerryh.
 

gerryh

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Hasn't worked in BC where there is only one fully funded school system....Catholic "private" schools are still better than the public.
 

gerryh

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Oh yes...and Liberalman.....how are Catholics "above the law" in Ontario?
 

JoeSchmoe

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Bad enough those schools had to dump the Lords Prayer to appease the whiners.

Actually, that act appeased the Constitution.... not the whiners. Whining about how prayers in schools have been eliminated is funny.

let's force Christianity upon everyone! Let's have the State (thru public schools) foist a particular religion on kids... idiotic.
 

Zzarchov

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So what you are saying is, that not only is the existance of the seperate school system in breach of the fundamental cornerstone of democracy, seperation of church and state, but that they are recieving a better education then the children attending the public school system?

Very well,

We need to end the in-eqaulity today, and invest that money and expertise, into the public system...ASAP.

Thanx for pointing that out gerryh.

Side note: Thats America.

The fundemental cornerstone of OUR democracy is the mixing of church and state.

Even the charter of rights and freedoms, a recent addition, only grants you rights through grace of god, nor does it negate elements of the constitution in place before it was put into place. Our head of state is a religious authority and guardian of the Church.

Our laws are very clearly in favour of mixing church and state. Whether or not thats a good thing is another matter, but our society has always been about mixing church and state.
 

CDNBear

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Side note: Thats America.

The fundemental cornerstone of OUR democracy is the mixing of church and state.

Even the charter of rights and freedoms, a recent addition, only grants you rights through grace of god, nor does it negate elements of the constitution in place before it was put into place. Our head of state is a religious authority and guardian of the Church.

Our laws are very clearly in favour of mixing church and state. Whether or not thats a good thing is another matter, but our society has always been about mixing church and state.
I stand corrected, still standing and still standing by my opinion on the seperate school system though.
 

Avro

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Side note: Thats America.

The fundemental cornerstone of OUR democracy is the mixing of church and state.

Even the charter of rights and freedoms, a recent addition, only grants you rights through grace of god, nor does it negate elements of the constitution in place before it was put into place. Our head of state is a religious authority and guardian of the Church.

Our laws are very clearly in favour of mixing church and state. Whether or not thats a good thing is another matter, but our society has always been about mixing church and state.

Mixing church and state is flawed.
 

Zzarchov

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I personally agree, Im not saying I agree with the mixing of church and state, Im just saying that mixing church and state is one of the historical differences between us and our southern neighbour (rightly or wrongly)
 

lone wolf

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Actually, that act appeased the Constitution.... not the whiners. Whining about how prayers in schools have been eliminated is funny.

let's force Christianity upon everyone! Let's have the State (thru public schools) foist a particular religion on kids... idiotic.

Really, if you read it close, where does the Lords Prayer say Christian? It's more the tradition of the thing... the values. What was wrong with God Save the Queen and The Maple Leaf Forever? They're the things so lacking in people today. Who cares any more? Those who do are condemned as terrorists, warmongers, conspiracists. In a lot of ways, it's freedom gone awry.

Traditions? They give you something to be proud of. Why surrender ours for they who impose their on us?. Think it read best as a song....

If you Don't Stand for Something, You'll Fall for Anything

Wolf
 

JoeSchmoe

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I've read it lots.... Agreed, the Lords prayer may well be the best known prayer - but why is it assumed to be a prayer to Christ? The very second word is FATHER....


Wolf

Are there prayers to Zeus in the Christian bible??? It's a Christian bible containing a Christian prayer! Let's not try and hide the fact. Are you sure you even know what the bible is??? It doesn't sound like it.... :roll:

The maple leaf is the best known leaf in Canada ... does that mean I won't find maple trees in Vermont?

But you won't find the Lord's Prayer in the Koran now will you???