Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

[selfsame]

I need not prove anything. You following the quran and hillbilly proves you are a devil worshiper. Christ had foretold and warned about false prophets like mohamed. Unfortunately, there are many like yourself, that are too weak and easily brainwashed. I hope you like things "hot".

Ha, so you think that Jesus warned about Mohammed?
While in fact he foretold about his coming as mercy to all humanity.
http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english3.htm#Prophet_Ahmed_as_Mentioned_in_the_Gospel

The false prophets are those who invite people to the idolatry and associating others with God, not Mohammed who invited people to God alone.

In fact, your enthusiasm about Jesus Christ is against his teachings when you glorified him instead of glorifying God the Eternal and the Creator.

And you went so far in your enthusiasm and transgressed the bounds when you considered Jesus Christ as God Himself.

So think now, who is the follower of Satan: the one who is enthusiastic about Jesus Christ considering him as son of God or part of Trinity or even as God Himself ... or is the one who worship God alone without associate and glorifies God alone but not His creatures?

 

[taxslave]

This assertion of yours is not true; God is not a mental construct, God is the True Being, but some people have misconception about God Almighty and Most Gracious: the Creator.


Whose god is a true being? Yours or Gerryh's? Or Buddhist god? Or Thor? They can't all be the one true god so some of you are lying.

 

[selfsame]

Whose god is a true being? Yours or Gerryh's? Or Buddhist god? Or Thor? They can't all be the one true god so some of you are lying.

God is the Lord of nations and the Creator of everything; but many people associate others with Him by means of their enthusiasm so they will fall in the idolatry or polytheism.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/3.htm#The_Religion_Should_Exclusively_Be_Devot

The difference is that atheists deny God (Who is the same Yahweh or Allah);
while others associate some beings (like Jesus or Ali or the saints or sages) with Him in their enthusiasm and in their worship.

Therefore, both of these parties: the atheists and the associaters (or idolaters) are wrong.

 

[taxslave]

So how about since your god is real bringing her by for a beer one day.

 

[French Patriot]

But wouldn't you have to know what form God takes to confirm absence?

Whatever form a God would take would be one where he is apparent, if he wishes to be seen.


If he does not, then he is irrelevant to mankind and should be ignored.


Regards
DL

This assertion of yours is not true; God is not a mental construct, God is the True Being, but some people have misconception about God Almighty and Most Gracious: the Creator.

Some deny Him, others associate other beings with Him in the worship and in the belief: something like idolatry.

The true belief is in God alone: the Eternal and the Creator and all others are His servants whom He created with His might and wisdom.

I am as are many others (who are the believers) are not like what you say.

God is True; He sent His messengers and prophets and revealed His books; some may be like you who do not believe and others do believe. So I believe in God and in His messengers and in His books in addition to believing in the Next Life.



This assertion of yours is not true.
I believed in God alone without associate: the Creator and the Eternal.
Then I believed in the Quran which is the God's revelation, that guided me more into more guidance and knowledge.

Your beliefs are all hearsay from the lips of people.


You go ahead and let others do your thinking for you.


Just do not expect others to respect your thinking.


Let me assume that Allah is real for just a moment. He would create all souls to have equal value. Right?


Regards
DL

 

[Nick Danger]

Whatever form a God would take would be one where he is apparent, if he wishes to be seen.


If he does not, then he is irrelevant to mankind and should be ignored.

And why should something be irrelevant to mankind simply because we do not fully understand it? Reasoning like that would lead to stagnation of any form of progress in the discovery of new knowledge.

 

[gerryh]

Whose god is a true being? Yours or Gerryh's? Or Buddhist god? Or Thor? They can't all be the one true god so some of you are lying.

Why can't they be?

 

[lone wolf]

I know a few people with nicks and aliases

 

[Nick Danger]

Perhaps God has the appearance of absence because humankind doesn't know what to look for or where to look.

 

[darkbeaver]

Unless you can produce 33000 watts I won't even notice you.

yOU CAN PROVE YOU'RE HERE BY BOILING THE KETTLE,

Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

All believers in God are following an entity that they only know by what other people have said about that God. Few, if any, know their God from apotheosis or first-hand information.

That fact makes whoever that God is, an idol.

It must be so, as what is believed is not a known or real entity. Believers have no real or personal knowledge or experience of their God. All a believer can have is faith in whichever God they are idolizing based on what others have said.

Do you, as a believer, recognize that you are an idol worshiper?
A true believer will feel the warmth, like arms arround you, you will know the right from the wrong, you will move on

Regards
DL

A true believer will feel the warmth, like arms arround you, you will know the right from the wrong, you will move on

Regards
DB

 

[Ludlow]

Unless you can produce 33000 watts I won't even notice you.

yOU CAN PROVE YOU'RE HERE BY BOILING THE KETTLE,


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A true believer will feel the warmth, like arms arround you, you will know the right from the wrong, you will move on

Regards
DB

Darkbungchute, what in the flying frig, are you blathering aboot?

 

[darkbeaver]

So you can't actually make a cup of tea. Away with you common vagrant.

 

[French Patriot]

And why should something be irrelevant to mankind simply because we do not fully understand it? Reasoning like that would lead to stagnation of any form of progress in the discovery of new knowledge.

That statement was to God and not to everything.


We are talking of a pixy little prick of a God who is playing hide and go seek, --- but if you do not believe he is hiding, he will fry your *** in hell forever.


Give such a idiot of a God relevance if you like. I will not.


Regards
DL

Perhaps God has the appearance of absence because humankind doesn't know what to look for or where to look.

You have hit the nail on the head.


Remember what one of the Jesus' asked.


Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?


Most have.


Do not be an Abraham and follow some infanticidal God. Such a God is not worthy of spit.


Regards
DL

Unless you can produce 33000 watts I won't even notice you.

yOU CAN PROVE YOU'RE HERE BY BOILING THE KETTLE,


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A true believer will feel the warmth, like arms arround you, you will know the right from the wrong, you will move on

Regards
DB

Some adults do want to be cuddled and cradled forever.


Most of us will choose to grow up instead of maintaining a mind killing imaginary coddler.


All babies get rid of their pacifiers eventually.

Regards
DL

 

[Nick Danger]

It sounds like your choosing a pretty narrow interpretation of "God" not to believe in. I can certainly understand your disdain for the traditional "guy in control" concept put forth in various forms by various religions, that particular image doesn't hold much water with me either. But there is a growing segment of spiritualism that explores a more metaphorical approach to the concept, where the name "God" doesn't refer to a humanized consciousness micro-managing every individual life, where "God" is more of a reference to that which lies outside our control.

 

[Remington1]

I choose to believe in something that no one can prove; do i choose to call it God, sure, is it male or female, I don't give a ****, I believe it's however responsible for me being what I am. Do I believe in churches or religion, NO. I also choose to believe in the existence of other forms in another galaxies. Only 5% of earth is observable matter. I cannot see radio waves, atoms, dark matter, antimatter, all proven by science, yes, but you still cannot see or touch them Some people don't even know they exist. Is it because of who the group promoting something that we readily believe or not ?

 

[Nick Danger]

You touch on something very important there Remington1, the idea that this is, at the end of the day, a matter of personal choice. In something firmly rooted in the unknowable/unprovable there can be no right and wrong other than to let preconceptions and prejudice cloud our judgement.

 

[French Patriot]

It sounds like your choosing a pretty narrow interpretation of "God" not to believe in. I can certainly understand your disdain for the traditional "guy in control" concept put forth in various forms by various religions, that particular image doesn't hold much water with me either. But there is a growing segment of spiritualism that explores a more metaphorical approach to the concept, where the name "God" doesn't refer to a humanized consciousness micro-managing every individual life, where "God" is more of a reference to that which lies outside our control.

Well put and I agree that both science and religions have invented a God of the Gaps, which I think you allude to, to blame or praise for what was before the Big Bang.


To believe that that God of the Gaps decide to favor us with his curse of hell is the idiocy that I fight as it causes a lot of harm to people.


That false belief is one of the main causes of people leaving the church, which of course I do not mind, as it shows people thinking for themselves instead of just sheepishly following a bunch of lying clergy.

Regards
DL

I choose to believe in something that no one can prove; do i choose to call it God, sure, is it male or female, I don't give a ****, I believe it's however responsible for me being what I am. Do I believe in churches or religion, NO. I also choose to believe in the existence of other forms in another galaxies. Only 5% of earth is observable matter. I cannot see radio waves, atoms, dark matter, antimatter, all proven by science, yes, but you still cannot see or touch them Some people don't even know they exist. Is it because of who the group promoting something that we readily believe or not ?

This is not too shabby at all.


One thing though. Look up Jung and Freud's Father Complex and you will understand that it is important for you to give a sex to what you are calling God.


With your name, you are likely a man, and your Father Complex is likely pushing you to be the best man you can be.


If you happen to be a female, think of it as a Mother Complex that seeks to make you the best female you can be.


Regards
DL

 

[selfsame]

So how about since your god is real bringing her by for a beer one day.

Is God a human being or any created being?

God is the glorified and worshiped, not equal with you; and He does not sit with the material beings and even does not sit with the spiritual beings.

Who are you with all your dirts and defects: so you want to see Him with your eyes and touch Him like other materials!?

God is the Most High and the Eternal. The thinking and reason cannot comprehend His essence, but only we may know something about His greatness and might.

And He sent us His envoys: the messengers and prophets to teach us every good ... so that we may prosper in heaven or paradise, and to warn us against every evil ... lest we will be punished in Hell according to the wrong-doing and idolatry.

 

[Ludlow]

Is God a human being or any created being?

God is the glorified and worshiped, not equal with you; and He does not sit with the material beings and even does not sit with the spiritual beings.

Who are you with all your dirts and defects: so you want to see Him with your eyes and touch Him like other materials!?

God is the Most High and the Eternal. The thinking and reason cannot comprehend His essence, but only we can know something about His greatness and might.

And He sent us His envoys: the messengers and prophets to teach us every good ... so that we may prosper in heaven or paradise, and to warn us against every evil ... lest we will be punished in Hell according to the wrong-doing and idolatry.

You don't know Selfschlong.

 

[selfsame]

Well put and I agree that both science and religions have invented a God of the Gaps, which I think you allude to, to blame or praise for what was before the Big Bang.

This is another one of your assertions.
What is such Big Bang that you take as your religion? Who said it is absolutely true? It could be true and might be false.
While God is the Absolute Truth: the Creator. Even if you deny or ignore this.

If there is any Big Bang or anything else: it is God Almighty Who did all that: He is the mover of every stationary and the fixing of every moving object; He is the Doer of every effect in the universe and the reason for the existence and continuity in existence of every existing object; God is the One Who inserted all the laws and systems in the universe, or else everything will disappear and every harmony and order will be corrupted and disrupted.

Quran 35: 41, which means:
{Surely, God holds the heavens and the earth d [with the gravity power of the sun]; in order that they escape not e [from it and scatter in the space.]
And if they were to escape [the gravity of the sun], no one else than He could hold them. f
He is Ever-Clement g [and] Most Forgiving h.}
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d i.e. God holds the planets, including the earth, by means of the power of the sun gravity.

e It means: lest they should escape the gravity of the sun and go away scattering in the space, as did they escape in the past when the previous sun and the previous planets burst up.

f It means: Could anyone – else than God – hold and fix them; and as such on Doomsday, none other than God can hold them.

That is because if the planets escape the gravity of the sun, they will tear up and become meteorites, which will be attracted to the new planets; because our sun explodes on Doomsday to become nineteen planets.

The meaning: If the present planets escape the gravity of the sun, and they tear up, then God – be glorified – will hold such pieces by another gravitational force.

g Towards His servants.

h To the monotheists who repent.

These two ayat have been interpreted in details in my book The Universe and the Quran http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/index.htm under the title of The gravity http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/index.htm#The_Gravity Question:15 http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/index.htm#Question_15 and Question:14 http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/index.htm#Question_14

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.