April Fools!! Here's your Carbon Tax F#ckers!!!

Ron in Regina

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Trudeau is such a liar & so disingenuous! Heat pumps don't work after -10 or -15 degrees! What a waste of money!
I’ve heard as low as -25°C with high end units, but you don’t have home owners insurance below -22°C, without a separate heating system (like natural gas, etc…) as there’s too high a probability of pipe’s freezing, etc…
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(Saskatchewan’s record low temperature was set in a Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, and that was -56.7°C, which is -70°F…& I remember as a child Wind Chill factors into the -70’s F…before Canada switched to metric)
 

Ron in Regina

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On Wednesday, the Conservative leader announced that he will force the Liberals to either agree to extend the carbon tax break on home heating to all Canadians, or stand and vote in Parliament to say, they only want that tax break for some.

Last week, as Justin Trudeau was watching his support in Atlantic Canada melt faster than the polar ice caps, he made a rushed announcement to try and make things better. He denied the move was about base politics — trying to shore up votes — or that it would undermine his signature policy that is the carbon tax. In fact, Trudeau claimed this would make his policy better.

His plan has been denounced by the premiers of Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia. With the NDP in all four western provinces calling Trudeau’s move unfair, including the opposition in Alberta and Saskatchewan, it makes for an interesting dilemma for Jagmeet Singh and his federal NDP MPs.

“The question becomes, what will Jagmeet Singh do?” Poilievre asked rhetorically, while announcing his motion. “Will Jagmeet Singh stand with provincial NDP? Will he stand with the voters who put their trust in his MPs in places like Timmons and other cold northern communities? Or will he once again sell out working class Canadians in order to suck up to Justin Trudeau?”
Poilievre’s plan means that either the carbon tax pause is extended to all Canadians, regardless of how they heat their homes, or Liberal and NDP MPs will need to stand and vote against that idea next Monday.

How will Trudeau’s 76 MPs in Ontario, where home heating oil is barely used, explain to their voters that they rejected the idea of giving them a break at a time of high inflation and during an affordability crisis?
 

Ron in Regina

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Last week the Liberal government whose hirelings rhapsodized about the urgent, indivisible, inherently national nature of carbon pricing announced a “temporary” total exemption for fuel oil used for home heating.
“How fair would it be for … the rest of the federation if we started carving out exceptions for provinces?” Guilbeault asked, rhetorically, all of four weeks ago.
1699110546281.jpegThis has the effect of letting some households in the Atlantic provinces out of a tax that applies to cleaner BTUs in the rest of the country, and the targeted regional nature of this move has been emphasized rather than concealed by Liberal ministers.
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Oh, to be sure, it’s temporary. The three-year duration of the exemption just happens to push its expiry past the next federal election. What happens at that point, who knows?

“Perhaps they need to elect more Liberals,” said federal Minister Gudie Hutchings, when asked why the Trudeau government isn’t giving most Canadians carbon tax relief.
1699110220676.jpegAnd to be sure, the exemption applies to fuel oil for home heating everywhere in Canada where the federal carbon tax applies. It just so happens that the electorally crucial Atlantic is the only place where a significant number of households still depend on the system.
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Liberal members of Parliament must choose what’s more important — loyalty to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau or helping their constituents heat their homes.

MPs are set to vote on a motion to remove the carbon tax from all home heating bills on Monday.
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This would expand Trudeau’s plan to remove the carbon tax from furnace oil for three years, which totally had nothing to do with collapsing poll numbers in Atlantic Canada.

But 97% of Canadian families use other fuels to keep the heat on. And they’ll be getting no relief from Trudeau’s carbon tax carve-out.
 

Ron in Regina

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And….here we are. Justin Trudeau didn’t even show up in person to vote against the Conservative motion to expand his own Liberal carbon tax break.

Pierre Poilievre and his Conservatives had tried to pass a motion that would have extended Trudeau’s carbon tax break for home heating oil to all Canadians, regardless of how they heat their homes.

In the end, the vote failed 135-186, with the Bloc Quebecois joining the Liberals to deny the tax break for all, while the NDP supported the Conservatives’ effort to try to expand the measure.
Yes, it’s true that the Trudeau Liberals have made the carbon tax break on home heating oil a national tax break, but that doesn’t tell even half the story. Home heating oil is primarily used in Atlantic Canada, which is why Trudeau’s carbon tax hike there was so unpopular and why he made the change to try to save votes.

Data from Nova Scotia’s Ministry of Finance showed that in 2019, 49% of P.E.I. homes were heated with oil followed by 36% in Nova Scotia, 22% in Newfoundland and Labrador and 7% in New Brunswick. That compares to 4% in Quebec, 2% in Ontario and 1% in British Columbia and even less than 1% in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta.
Trudeau claimed that the Conservatives asking for the carbon tax break to be extended to all Canadians, regardless of how they heat their home, showed that they don’t care about climate change. It was quite the stretch, even for a politician like Trudeau, known for making nose-stretching comments.

He also claimed that the Conservatives asking for all Canadians to be treated fairly was an attempt to divide Canadians. No, giving a tax break to some because they have primarily voted Liberal, but not to others, is the divisive measure.
The Liberals have made it clear that if you live in Atlantic Canada and vote Liberal, you deserve a break on the carbon tax you pay to heat your home. If you don’t, they really don’t care about you despite all their soft, calming and empty words about the environment.
 

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Which name? The name of the tax? Drop the word tax from the name of the tax? Call it a “charge” instead of a “tax”?? Perhaps a “Carbon Equity Charge” or something like that?
Yep. Or customize it. For heavily-Liberal areas, call it the "Equity and Racial Justice Contribution," and for heavily-Conservative areas, call it the "Christian Canadian Values Assessment." Long as you get the coin, only whiny little hard-done-bys care.
 

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Yep. Or customize it. For heavily-Liberal areas, call it the "Equity and Racial Justice Contribution," and for heavily-Conservative areas, call it the "Christian Canadian Values Assessment." Long as you get the coin, only whiny little hard-done-bys care.
That’s already happened. Early on. Not different names for different regions, but that idea has already been implemented.
It didn’t stick. Everyone’s still calls at the carbon tax or carbon taxes (plural) except the current government.
 

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Yep. Or customize it. For heavily-Liberal areas, call it the "Equity and Racial Justice Contribution," and for heavily-Conservative areas, call it the "Christian Canadian Values Assessment." Long as you get the coin, only whiny little hard-done-bys care.
Except that not all conservatives are Christian, or even religious. Does that mean we would still have to pay? Do you only get the exemption at the church door?
 
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So, Jagmeet is sliding in on this, but with a weird couple of caveats… so that nobody’s gonna vote for it… so that he can point his finger in every direction… and still support the liberals until October 2025.

Similar to Monday's failed Conservative motion calling for the three-year pause on the carbon price collected from home heating oil to be expanded to all forms of home heating, Singh's proposal is non-binding, meaning even if it passes, it won't force the government to act.

Specifically, the NDP motion is calling for three things:

Removing the GST from all forms of home heating;

Making eco-energy retrofits and heat pumps free (Define “Free” Mr Singh, I don’t think he understands the concept) and easy to access for low-income and middle-class Canadians, regardless of energy source; and

Financing these projects by putting in place a tax on the excess profits of big oil and gas corporations??? What are Excess Profits & who decides this?

Singh has put together a proposal that will shoot Canada in the foot if it accepts it, chasing away business, and putting us further and further and further into debt. It’s non-binding, but it’s not palatable or realistic either. Ugh….what a Goof.
 

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Actually it is reasonably clever as it has lots of talking points to say they are helping Canadians. And likely designed specifically to isolate the Conservatives who have been taking lead on this and try to paint them in the typical only good for big business light depending on how they react to it.
 

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Actually it is reasonably clever as it has lots of talking points to say they are helping Canadians. And likely designed specifically to isolate the Conservatives who have been taking lead on this and try to paint them in the typical only good for big business light depending on how they react to it.
What are “Free” heat pumps for all low and middle income, earning Canadians regardless of the source of energy for heating….going to cost (?) and who would pay for them? That’s insane. Call It 15 million heat pumps… saying an average of three people per household….& let’s see they’re only $10,000 apiece installed.
 

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What are “Free” heat pumps for all low and middle income, earning Canadians regardless of the source of energy for heating….going to cost (?) and who would pay for them? That’s insane. Call It 15 million heat pumps… saying an average of three people per household….& let’s see they’re only $10,000 apiece installed.
A good chuck (larger group than you would hope) of the voters are stupid and don't think about these things. They hear free and assume it will be government money that grows on trees. They don't want to concern themselves with debts or deficits. The Lieberals have been milking these stupid people for years. Now the NDP are too.
 

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A good chuck (larger group than you would hope) of the voters are stupid and don't think about these things. They hear free and assume it will be government money that grows on trees. They don't want to concern themselves with debts or deficits. The Lieberals have been milking these stupid people for years. Now the NDP are too.
All snark aside. . . I do hope when the Tories get into power, they'll actually do something about the deficit. For decades down hereabouts, whichever party was out of power screamed red murder about the deficit. When they got into power, they fell silent and the other side started screaming. And the deficit just kept on growing.

Of course, if they do actually do something about it, no doubt they'll be out of power soon enough and Canada will continue to sail blithely toward the precipice.
 
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All snark aside. . . I do hope when the Tories get into power, they'll actually do something about the deficit. For decades down hereabouts, whichever party was out of power screamed red murder about the deficit. When they got into power, they fell silent and the other side started screaming. And the deficit just kept on growing.
Harper did a not bad job for most of his term aside from the years around 2008 when they ran a deficit to stimulate the collapsing economy. By the time he was ousted it was pretty much balanced again. The previous Liberal government did a not bad job either but they did it by passing all the cuts onto the provinces so their books looked good. TrueDope, like his father, has never found a deficit he didn't like. I think anybody would be better than the current clowns.
 
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Harper did a not bad job for most of his term aside from the years around 2008 when they ran a deficit to stimulate the collapsing economy. By the time he was ousted it was pretty much balanced again. The previous Liberal government did a not bad job either but they did it by passing all the cuts onto the provinces so their books looked good. TrueDope, like his father, has never found a deficit he didn't like. I think anybody would be better than the current clowns.
Roger that. Can't stop it 'til you slow it. I hope Da Peepul of Canada will prove more resistant to the lure of Free Stuff than the Yanks did.
 
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What are “Free” heat pumps for all low and middle income, earning Canadians regardless of the source of energy for heating….going to cost (?) and who would pay for them? That’s insane. Call It 15 million heat pumps… saying an average of three people per household….& let’s see they’re only $10,000 apiece installed.
This would be all households, assuming all the $10,000 installed each.
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Factor out the top 1/3 of households so that Jagmeet can say that the rich are excluded…& that’s a $100Billion$….& it’s a government program so you know it’s not gonna stay on budget… so take the above number and multiply it by all your fingers and toes.
 
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A motion calling for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to permanently remove the GST from all forms of home heating was defeated Wednesday after the NDP failed to find support among any major party in the House of Commons.

Ahead of the vote, the NDP noted that 13 years ago, then-NDP leader Jack Layton tried to push for a similar proposal, and then too the Liberals and Conservatives rejected it…but I am assuming that Jack Layton didn’t have a $100,000,000,000.00 (very conservative estimate) price ticket attached like Jagmeet’s deally.

"We put forward a plan to help Canadians with their home heating bills, help Canadians tackle the climate crisis, and make big oil and gas pay for it. Now environmental organizations are on board, but climate delay Liberals, and climate deny Conservatives will back the profits of big oil again. So how can the prime minister and the leader of the Conservative party justify voting against this?" asked Singh.

Well, I am thinking he got into some of that government issue East Van Crank or something ‘cuz wow….really? How is another $100Billion$ in debt and printed money, going to help affordability

On Wednesday afternoon, the proposal was voted down 292 to 30, with the New Democrat, and Green parties backing it.
 
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A motion calling for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to permanently remove the GST from all forms of home heating was defeated Wednesday after the NDP failed to find support among any major party in the House of Commons.

Ahead of the vote, the NDP noted that 13 years ago, then-NDP leader Jack Layton tried to push for a similar proposal, and then too the Liberals and Conservatives rejected it…but I am assuming that Jack Layton didn’t have a $100,000,000,000.00 (very conservative estimate) price ticket attached like Jagmeet’s deally.

"We put forward a plan to help Canadians with their home heating bills, help Canadians tackle the climate crisis, and make big oil and gas pay for it. Now environmental organizations are on board, but climate delay Liberals, and climate deny Conservatives will back the profits of big oil again. So how can the prime minister and the leader of the Conservative party justify voting against this?" asked Singh.

Well, I am thinking he got into some of that government issue East Van Crank or something ‘cuz wow….really? How is another $100Billion$ in debt and printed money, going to help affordability

On Wednesday afternoon, the proposal was voted down 292 to 30, with the New Democrat, and Green parties backing it.
Why would anyone take Singh seriously?