Apple's Tim Cook blasts order to unlock iPhone, vowing to fight court order

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Apple's Tim Cook blasts order to unlock iPhone, vowing to fight court order

Apple Inc. chief executive Tim Cook says his company will fight an order to open a user's iPhone, saying to do otherwise would create a backdoor that could potentially be used on other future devices.

Apple's Tim Cook blasts order to unlock iPhone, vowing to fight court order - Business - CBC News

So let me get this straight. Cook says that if Apple works with the FBI on cracking the phone, Apple couldn't keep the way they do so secret?

Is that supposed to reassure Apple customers?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apple-cook-san-bernardino-phone-1.3451372?cmp=rss
 

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To me the key thing is that the state (or county, whatever) are the ones that own the phone. Apple should work with the owner of the phone to unlock it, since it's a legal ruling.


End of story, in my books.
 

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To me the key thing is that the state (or county, whatever) are the ones that own the phone. Apple should work with the owner of the phone to unlock it, since it's a legal ruling.


End of story, in my books.
Seems reasonable.
 

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Apple slays me. All the bitching, pissing and moaning they did about Microsoft's business practices years ago and today they are worse than Gates and Microsoft ever were.
 

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Apple's Tim Cook blasts order to unlock iPhone, vowing to fight court order

Apple Inc. chief executive Tim Cook says his company will fight an order to open a user's iPhone, saying to do otherwise would create a backdoor that could potentially be used on other future devices.

Apple's Tim Cook blasts order to unlock iPhone, vowing to fight court order - Business - CBC News

So let me get this straight. Cook says that if Apple works with the FBI on cracking the phone, Apple couldn't keep the way they do so secret?

Is that supposed to reassure Apple customers?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apple-cook-san-bernardino-phone-1.3451372?cmp=rss
It is so rare that this type of opportunities becomes available; the names and leads inside that phone could save so many lives, because we can safety deduct that the contacts inside that phone (if any) are not our friends. Is it possible that Cook is so dumb ?
 

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Apple's Tim Cook blasts order to unlock iPhone, vowing to fight court order

Apple Inc. chief executive Tim Cook says his company will fight an order to open a user's iPhone, saying to do otherwise would create a backdoor that could potentially be used on other future devices.

Apple's Tim Cook blasts order to unlock iPhone, vowing to fight court order - Business - CBC News

So let me get this straight. Cook says that if Apple works with the FBI on cracking the phone, Apple couldn't keep the way they do so secret?

Is that supposed to reassure Apple customers?
To prove that the information retrieved is valid, wouldn't they have to inform the court as to how it was done?
 

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It is so rare that this type of opportunities becomes available; the names and leads inside that phone could save so many lives, because we can safety deduct that the contacts inside that phone (if any) are not our friends. Is it possible that Cook is so dumb ?


No, but obviously you are. Cook is right. The info will get out as to how it was cracked. The defence, or courts, will want to have forensic evidence that the phones were cracked and that the information retrieved was valid. There will be a "paper" trail.


If the FBI wants to know what's on that phone, then they need to hire a damn good black hat to crack it and keep the OS supplier out of it.
 

Ron in Regina

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I believe I understand where Apple's Tim Cook is
coming from. I also believe I understand where the
FBI, the Obama administration, The Judge, etc....
are also coming from.

Everyone has their line in the sand and for this Tim
Cook & Apple....this is theirs. So be it.

If it comes out that info on this phone could have
prevented future terrorist attacks, and future deaths
of innocent civilian, military personal, etc...and ****
gets real and goes down, then Tim Cook should be
tried as an accessory to whatever murders and/or
terrorist attacks this info could have prevented,
should they come to pass.

Apple in turn should be found financially liable in any
civil suits arising from any murders and/or terrorist
attacks this info could have prevented, should they
come to pass.

Fair enough?

I mean, eventually some 14yr will hack these
phones, or the NSA, or whatever. It's just a
matter of the time frame I'm assuming.

If Apple, & in turn this Tim Cook defy a court
order....drag their feet, and people die due to
this...then they're at least partially responsible.
 

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I believe I understand where Apple's Tim Cook is
coming from. I also believe I understand where the
FBI, the Obama administration, The Judge, etc....
are also coming from.

Everyone has their line in the sand and for this Tim
Cook & Apple....this is theirs. So be it.

If it comes out that info on this phone could have
prevented future terrorist attacks, and future deaths
of innocent civilian, military personal, etc...and ****
gets real and goes down, then Tim Cook should be
tried as an accessory to whatever murders and/or
terrorist attacks this info could have prevented,
should they come to pass.

Apple in turn should be found financially liable in any
civil suits arising from any murders and/or terrorist
attacks this info could have prevented, should they
come to pass.

Fair enough?

I mean, eventually some 14yr will hack these
phones, or the NSA, or whatever. It's just a
matter of the time frame I'm assuming.

If Apple, & in turn this Tim Cook defy a court
order....drag their feet, and people die due to
this...then they're at least partially responsible.



In other words, the end justifies the means. Correct?
 

Ron in Regina

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In other words, the end justifies the means. Correct?

No, I'm say, "If that's their line in the sand, then so
be it! If it leads to preventable deaths, though, then
they'd have to accept at least partial responsibility."

If they (Tim Cook & in turn Apple) wont turn over a
method to obtain this information from one of their
products, then that's the way it is. Blood from a stone.

It it turns out this info is discovered to have been able
to prevent future deaths and destruction, then they
(Tim Cook & in turn Apple) would also be culpable &
in turn liable. Life is about choices. They've made theirs.
 
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gerryh

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No, I'm say, "If that's their line in the sand, then so
be it! If it leads to preventable deaths, though, then
they'd have to accept at least partial responsibility."

If they (Tim Cook & in turn Apple) wont turn over a
method to obtain this information from one of their
products, then that's the way it is. Blood from a stone.

It it turns out this info is discovered to have been able
to prevent future deaths and destruction, then they
(Tim Cook & in turn Apple) would also be culpable &
in turn liable. Life is about choices. They've made theirs.


My line in the sand is torture. No torture for any reason. So, if it is found that torture could have given info that prevented deaths and because of my opposition to torture, then I am, at least partially, responsible for those deaths then I am culpable for those deaths.

Do you support torture, Ron?

Oh, and what apple is being asked to do, is break their privacy encryption and give that break to law enforcement. PRIVACY being the key word here.
 

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If you have a safety deposit box, and you die committing a crime a judge can order the bank to open it, the police don't have to find a key that works on their own
 

Ron in Regina

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My line in the sand is torture. No torture for any reason. So, if it is found that torture could have given info that prevented deaths and because of my opposition to torture, then I am, at least partially, responsible for those deaths then I am culpable for those deaths.

Do you support torture, Ron?

Apples & oranges. Not even close with your strawman.

Is your opposition to torture fundamental & time sensitive
to preventing any future preventable terrorist actions? You
are not even barking up the wrong tree, but the wrong forest
in the wrong postal code.

Oh, and what apple is being asked to do, is break their privacy encryption and give that break to law enforcement. PRIVACY being the key word here.

That's their choice to ignore a court order & accept
those consequences, and in turn responsibility for
their actions if it leads to preventable attacks.
 

gerryh

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If you have a safety deposit box, and you die committing a crime a judge can order the bank to open it, the police don't have to find a key that works on their own


Yup, they can. The comparison would be the owner of this phone, which is the city, I believe.