Anti-Obama Marines

[Locutus]

Sgt. Gary Stein might be saying things about President Obama that a lot of Marines think, but some are saying he took it too far.

Stein has come under fire for stating on Facebook that he wouldn’t follow certain orders given by his commander in chief. And Marines say Stein’s not alone in his disapproval. More anti-Obama talk is being heard in the workplace and new Military Times poll data shows declining approval among military service members for the president’s job as commander in chief.

The Marine Corps depends its chain of command structure, especially in a time of war. Some Marines say Stein and other vocal Marines like him are undermining that system.

See this week’s issue for a breakdown on what is happening, what it means for the chain of command and what Marine’s are saying about it.


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Guess Barry can still buy votes with his nail polish line. :lol:

 

[WLDB]

If I were one of them I'd be pissed too.

 

[EagleSmack]

You know what... I'd tell them to shut their mouths too. Obama is the CIC. He is top in the Chain of Command. At Recruit Training on Parris Island we are drilled into memorizing the complete Chain of Command and POTUS is on top.

What if one of his LCPLs decides that he doesn't feel like standing post? He'd be punished.

 

[Highball]

I am a Marine! I served twelve years in active service in an Air Wing and then ten more in the 4th M.A.W Reserves. I support this Marine. What President has ever asked any active military unit in a War Zone to disarm itself? In an active War Zone? Come on! This is a vote of of distrust from the Commander in Chief. Ask the RC Marines what their reaction would be if the Prime Minister asked them to lay down their arm is an active (shooting daily) War Zone! My vote is to ask the Secret Sevice to lay down their weapions when the President visits any War Zone. I'll bet I know their answer!

 

[WLDB]

You know what... I'd tell them to shut their mouths too. Obama is the CIC. He is top in the Chain of Command. At Recruit Training on Parris Island we are drilled into memorizing the complete Chain of Command and POTUS is on top.

What if one of his LCPLs decides that he doesn't feel like standing post? He'd be punished.

Happened a lot during the Vietnam era. They didnt seem to care then.

 

[EagleSmack]

Happened a lot during the Vietnam era. They didnt seem to care then.

Can you be more specific?

 

[WLDB]

Can you be more specific?

1961-1973: GI resistance in the Vietnam War | libcom.org

Multiple tours, no end in sight, its only a matter of time before morale collapses and people get pissed.

 

[EagleSmack]

I am a Marine! I served twelve years in active service in an Air Wing and then ten more in the 4th M.A.W Reserves. I support this Marine. What President has ever asked any active military unit in a War Zone to disarm itself? In an active War Zone? Come on! This is a vote of of distrust from the Commander in Chief. Ask the RC Marines what their reaction would be if the Prime Minister asked them to lay down their arm is an active (shooting daily) War Zone! My vote is to ask the Secret Sevice to lay down their weapions when the President visits any War Zone. I'll bet I know their answer!

Am I missing something? Did the President as the military to disarm themselves over there?

Does Canada have Marines?

1961-1973: GI resistance in the Vietnam War | libcom.org

Multiple tours, no end in sight, its only a matter of time before morale collapses and people get pissed.

Well... it is a biased source.

But for sake of argument, disobedience to orders is not a Vietnam/Afghanistan thing only. There are always some who will disobey an order from time to time... or talk back. Even in peace time it happens. Nevertheless the President is the CIC and disobedience to orders is punishable just as it would be for a PFC disobeying his CPL.

 

[DaSleeper]

Am I missing something? Did the President as the military to disarm themselves over there?

.

They had to for Panetta....

World News - In 'highly unusual' move, Marines asked to disarm before Leon Panetta speech

 

[WLDB]

Well... it is a biased source.

I agree its presented in a biased manner but that doesn't change the facts that there was widespread disobedience and unrest in the armed forces during that time period.

And yes, I know disobedience happens regularly no matter what the conditions are. But thats normally a few individual incidents. With this marine that appears to be the case.

Im surprised there wasnt a mutiny in the early years of the Iraq war over their lack of decent equipment and armour.

 

[EagleSmack]

Im surprised there wasnt a mutiny in the early years of the Iraq war over their lack of decent equipment and armour.

I'm not.

They had to for Panetta....

World News - In 'highly unusual' move, Marines asked to disarm before Leon Panetta speech

Ahhh...so they asked the Afghans to disarm and didn't want to insult them by letting the Marines remain under arms.

Ah well... we had to stack arms before going into the Navy chow hall. In fact... they made us take showers after awhile! lmao

 

[darkbeaver]

Aren't Marines sworn to defend the constitution and arrest any president at odds with that constitution? Of course they are, they took an oath, didn't they? In the rapidly approaching American Civil War II there will be constitutionalists and the presidential banker rebel traitors.

 

[EagleSmack]

Aren't Marines sworn to defend the constitution and arrest any president at odds with that constitution?

Nope

Of course they are, they took an oath, didn't they?

We took an oath to defend the US Constitution but we do not have any Powers of Arrest. The oath that all members of the armed services says none of the sort.

"I, ______________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Note: "and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States"

In the rapidly approaching American Civil War II there will be constitutionalists and the presidential banker rebel traitors.

Good grief.

 

[SLM]

AIn the rapidly approaching American Civil War II there will be constitutionalists and the presidential banker rebel traitors.

That sounds like the plot for a new Mel Gibson movie. 8O

 

[gopher]

I've had a few buddies who were proud Marines. All vowed to obey the CIC and never to bring any form of discredit to the Corps - - none would be pleased with this type of attitude shown above.

 

[damngrumpy]

Now the military can do what it pleases the CIC be damned. That is not being Loyal period.
Never mind what one thinks they are to do what the current commander says other wise they
are now beyond the civil authority that defines America. These matters of difference are to be
settled behind closed doors.
The military is subject to civilian rule not the other way around, and this is the first step to the
break down of that system.

 

[Kreskin]

It's just another cheap political stunt.

BO has been probably the most effective CIC in modern history and he's pretty darn supportive of military personnel and families.

 

[EagleSmack]

Now the military can do what it pleases the CIC be damned. That is not being Loyal period.
Never mind what one thinks they are to do what the current commander says other wise they
are now beyond the civil authority that defines America. These matters of difference are to be
settled behind closed doors.
The military is subject to civilian rule not the other way around, and this is the first step to the
break down of that system.

Oh please. Quit embellishing it.

You would be one of the first to stand and applaud if this happened during a GOP President's term. As WLDB pointed out... it isn't the first time some soldier or Marine opened his mouth.

 

[EagleSmack]

BO has been probably the most effective CIC in modern history and he's pretty darn supportive of military personnel and families.

I wouldn't go that far.

 

[petros]

Is Obama rotten to the Corp?