Anti-American prejudice.

Niflmir

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That depends on how you define 'patriotism'. I define patriotism as nothing more than love for one's country. This does not preclude an equal love for all mankind.

'Nationalism', however, is what I'd define as a belief in the moral superiority of one nation over another; and that, I agree, is divisive. While nationalism divides, patriotism unites.

All too often however, patriotism is mentioned when we are talking about our people fighting some other people, or some comparison between people. In these cases patriotism can be mentioned in a manner so as to preclude any analysis of merit. Seeing these situations can cause one to easily lose any love for patriotism.
 

darkbeaver

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Anti-American prejudice is a completely valid bias to arrive at. At this time in history it is really bad form to suggest they (Americans) be spared thier just rewards. Everybody knows the rules, when you live by the sword there is every certainty that you will die by the same insturment. Should we suspend common sence for the Americans? Should we encourage, reward and forgive deciet, murder, invasion, occupation, genocide and global economic ruin? You ask too much Machjo, it is entirely proper that the world see them as they are, guilty as sin. Many flags will cease to exist, uncle sam will loose everything, now that they completely without honour. We Canadians shouldn't feel so bad for them though we'll be joining our good nieghbours in dispare and ruin.
 
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That depends on how you define 'patriotism'. I define patriotism as nothing more than love for one's country. This does not preclude an equal love for all mankind.

'Nationalism', however, is what I'd define as a belief in the moral superiority of one nation over another; and that, I agree, is divisive. While nationalism divides, patriotism unites.


Now what you said seems accurate:
Patriotism is what most Americans believe in.
I would say that from what I have read here that Canadians believe in or at least profess a belief in "Nationalism". But that could be wrong also, in some cases Provinces take priority which equates to States rights in the U.S.
 

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Hatred often belies the inner person who hates rather than what he/she hates. Intense dislike is rarely born out courage and confidence in self.
 

Machjo

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Anti-American prejudice is a completely valid bias to arrive at. At this time in history it is really bad form to suggest they (Americans) be spared thier just rewards. Everybody knows the rules, when you live by the sword there is every certainty that you will die by the same insturment. Should we suspend common sence for the Americans? Should we encourage, reward and forgive deciet, murder, invasion, occupation, genocide and global economic ruin? You ask too much Machjo, it is entirely proper that the world see them as they are, guilty as sin. Many flags will cease to exist, uncle sam will loose everything, now that they completely without honour. We Canadians shouldn't feel so bad for them though we'll be joining our good nieghbours in dispare and ruin.

Not all Americans agree with their government. Pointing outthe faults of a particular person or a particular government policy is quite different from making a sweeping generalization and implying that all Americans support it. When we say the US did this or that, we need to understand that it's referring to the government, not the people. All too often it leads to stereotyping all Americans as agreeing with their government's policies. Maybe most do, but not all do.
 

wulfie68

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Anti-American prejudice is a completely valid bias to arrive at. At this time in history it is really bad form to suggest they (Americans) be spared thier just rewards. Everybody knows the rules, when you live by the sword there is every certainty that you will die by the same insturment. Should we suspend common sence for the Americans? Should we encourage, reward and forgive deciet, murder, invasion, occupation, genocide and global economic ruin?

How is prejudice ever completely valid? By its nature its not logical or objective but subjective. What makes the United States so much worse than France, the UK, the Netherlands or any of the European countries that establsihed imperialistic colonies and continue to hold them to this day? What makes them worse than the Russians, who under their former regime occupied Eastern Europe, murdered millions of people, and started proxy wars all over the globe? Where did the Americans commit genocide that was entirely their own? How are they responsible for global economic ruin?

You ask too much Machjo, it is entirely proper that the world see them as they are, guilty as sin. Many flags will cease to exist, uncle sam will loose everything, now that they completely without honour. We Canadians shouldn't feel so bad for them though we'll be joining our good nieghbours in dispare and ruin.

Guilty of what? Being more successful than the Quebecois were at utilizing their resources and building their society? Developing a culture that others feel is worth borrowing from instead of stagnating in some backwater and living with delusions of self-importance? You babble about the ruin that Canada and the US are headed for but I think its quite the opposite: with our resources and the cultural drive, we will tackle the obstacles in front of us, and to be honest, our southern neighbours have more of that drive bred into them. And yes, they'll drag us along with them, for all the nay-saying by Nostradamus wannabe's, and Canadians will still be looking for reasons to resent them for it.
 

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We all will gain from what the U.S. does getting us thru these bad times. I have no qualms about the United States pulling us all out. I do not see any other country doing anything but complaining, this economic turn down was not the sole fault of the United States, other still have not learned to accept fault for their actions, always the other guy.

Very well said wulfie68: "Guilty of what? Being more successful than the Quebecois were at utilizing their resources and building their society? Developing a culture that others feel is worth borrowing from instead of stagnating in some backwater and living with delusions of self-importance? You babble about the ruin that Canada and the US are headed for but I think its quite the opposite: with our resources and the cultural drive, we will tackle the obstacles in front of us, and to be honest, our southern neighbours have more of that drive bred into them. And yes, they'll drag us along with them, for all the nay-saying by Nostradamus wannabe's, and Canadians will still be looking for reasons to resent them for it.

Something to think about.
Envying someone for something you can never have is reason enough for "Anti-American" prejudice.
 

darkbeaver

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Not all Americans agree with their government. Pointing outthe faults of a particular person or a particular government policy is quite different from making a sweeping generalization and implying that all Americans support it. When we say the US did this or that, we need to understand that it's referring to the government, not the people. All too often it leads to stereotyping all Americans as agreeing with their government's policies. Maybe most do, but not all do.

In a perfect world generalizations would not occur, in the real world they are very usefull. You do not see America as responsible for the greater part of the destruction and poverty in the world today while I most assuridly do. Now you can beg for mercy or even special dispensations from some theocratic potentate all to no avail the piper must be paid and the oweing member is not in the slightest doubt. The American people most certainly did agree with thier governments policy it was enacted and executed in thier names, thier outstretched hands were filled and thier slack bellies stuffed, for in excess of one-hundred years they have raped and pillaged the world at gun point whereever and whenever they wished. In that time the toll of murdered innocents is incalculable. We can use the analogy of Nazi Germany, not all Germans agreed with thier governments actions but every citizen was saddled with and suffered the war reparations payments and still they pay. You have no argument but romanticism about a fictional nation.


QUOTEING wulfie68
"Guilty of what? Being more successful than the Quebecois were at utilizing their resources and building their society? Developing a culture that others feel is worth borrowing from instead of stagnating in some backwater and living with delusions of self-importance? You babble about the ruin that Canada and the US are headed for but I think its quite the opposite: with our resources and the cultural drive, we will tackle the obstacles in front of us, and to be honest, our southern neighbours have more of that drive bred into them. And yes, they'll drag us along with them, for all the nay-saying by Nostradamus wannabe's, and Canadians will still be looking for reasons to resent them for it."

I read that you have been inculcated with the standard mean propaganda line of self hating jealous Canadians. What crap wulfie68. What right minded person would want to emulate the history of the USA, there isn't one second of it that isn't dripping with the blood of the innocent. What our southern nieghbours have bred into them is mostly a fictional sence of entitlement, a terminally stupid sence of patriotism based on mass murder and a mass ignorance that they willingly paid for.
You should familiarize yourself with at least the basics of American history.


The crimes of the collapseing empire are great and endless. I find it very disturbing to encounter those who would ignor the historical facts in favour of the institutional propaganda produced by the rotten system in an attempt to exonerate a mass genocidal murdering culture in hopes of preserving the great evil. If you won't learn history you will repeat the mistakes, now you can debate wheather or not the USA was a giant mistake or you can go right to the facts of the matter and contemplate what a hugely bankrupt ruined nation will do with its overwhelming military superiority. Justice demands that thier flag be trampled in the dirt and thier citizens slave in chains to pay reparations for the crimes of the last century and no fair minded human would argue that is thier just dessert. The rules of nature are quite clear, you can enjoy the gains of the sword for a time but you will not do it forever.:smile:
 

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Now what you said seems accurate:
Patriotism is what most Americans believe in.
I would say that from what I have read here that Canadians believe in or at least profess a belief in "Nationalism". But that could be wrong also, in some cases Provinces take priority which equates to States rights in the U.S.

i would say that both Canada and the US are suffering from the disease of nationalism at the moment, and misdiagnosing it for patriotism.
 

Machjo

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Drop to our level? What the people in St. Louis did was stoop to the level of Canadians who have been doing it for years.

Here is Boston's response to Canadians booing the National Anthem.


YouTube - Boston's response to Montreal booing the US National Anthem

I'm sorry, I don't watch sports much> I was just responding to the info provided in the thread. If you're right, then why did they drop to our level? That makes our side more guilty by a razor thin edge.
 

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Justice demands that thier flag be trampled in the dirt and thier citizens slave in chains to pay reparations for the crimes of the last century and no fair minded human would argue that is thier just dessert. The rules of nature are quite clear, you can enjoy the gains of the sword for a time but you will not do it forever.:smile:

This was priceless! You have outdone yourself. Flag trampled in the dirt...lol...well that is not too original now is it?

Our citizens to be made slaves in chains... even more hilarious.

Maybe after we cover the world with mushroom clouds.
 

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I'm sorry, I don't watch sports much> I was just responding to the info provided in the thread. If you're right, then why did they drop to our level? That makes our side more guilty by a razor thin edge.

Well booing the US National Anthem in Montreal is a favored past time. Maybe folks for St. Louis got sick of it. I went to Youtube and searched it and found that I did hear some booing but mostly I heard the Canadian Anthem. When Montreal does it they Boo so loud they completely drown out the singer.
 

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In a perfect world generalizations would not occur, in the real world they are very usefull. You do not see America as responsible for the greater part of the destruction and poverty in the world today while I most assuridly do.

And you provide no examples of "why" beyond sweeping generalizations that could apply to any other country that exists or has existed in the past thousand years if not longer...

Now you can beg for mercy or even special dispensations from some theocratic potentate all to no avail the piper must be paid and the oweing member is not in the slightest doubt. The American people most certainly did agree with thier governments policy it was enacted and executed in thier names, thier outstretched hands were filled and thier slack bellies stuffed, for in excess of one-hundred years they have raped and pillaged the world at gun point whereever and whenever they wished. In that time the toll of murdered innocents is incalculable. We can use the analogy of Nazi Germany, not all Germans agreed with thier governments actions but every citizen was saddled with and suffered the war reparations payments and still they pay. You have no argument but romanticism about a fictional nation.

The American people have a history of debate and division that rivals any nation on the globe, ranging from the arguments lead up to and over declaring independance (which is a major reason why so much of their government is decentralized to individual states, and in the view of some of us outside their borders, redundant), going on through their civil war and even up to today when their presidential elections have shown narrow margins of victory for starkly contrasting points of view. As far as "raping and pillaging the world at gunpoint for the past 100 years" is an exageration but thats actually a pretty short time compared to the length of time spent by Spain, Portugal, France, Britain, the Netherlands and others(including the Chinese). Undoubtedly you wish to lay the slaughter of native North Americans at their feet and they are guilty in some cases... but they weren't the ones who hunted the Aztec, the Inca and the Mayans (the titans of pre-European American civilizations) to extinction.

I read that you have been inculcated with the standard mean propaganda line of self hating jealous Canadians. What crap wulfie68. What right minded person would want to emulate the history of the USA, there isn't one second of it that isn't dripping with the blood of the innocent. What our southern nieghbours have bred into them is mostly a fictional sence of entitlement, a terminally stupid sence of patriotism based on mass murder and a mass ignorance that they willingly paid for.
You should familiarize yourself with at least the basics of American history.

Again more colourful but baseless rhetoric. Self-hating? How so? Because I see things that our neighbours do better than we do? And please define right minded... while it isn't a utopia, the US model of republican democracy is just as valid as our
parliamentary model. In some ways it is more democratic, when you look at things like the appointment protocols and WHERE they are used by our respective governments. You mention entitlement, and I agree there is a sense of it with some of their population but show me where that doesn't exist in ANY modern populace. You accuse me of being unfamiliar with US history and buying into propaganda yet you provide nothing to support your claims, and continue to spew biggoted hatred with no basis.

The crimes of the collapseing empire are great and endless. I find it very disturbing to encounter those who would ignor the historical facts in favour of the institutional propaganda produced by the rotten system in an attempt to exonerate a mass genocidal murdering culture in hopes of preserving the great evil. If you won't learn history you will repeat the mistakes, now you can debate wheather or not the USA was a giant mistake or you can go right to the facts of the matter and contemplate what a hugely bankrupt ruined nation will do with its overwhelming military superiority. Justice demands that thier flag be trampled in the dirt and thier citizens slave in chains to pay reparations for the crimes of the last century and no fair minded human would argue that is thier just dessert. The rules of nature are quite clear, you can enjoy the gains of the sword for a time but you will not do it forever.:smile:

I can understand that some of your prose could be a little off, if English is your second language but whatever the case may be, its nonsensical. "The crimes of collapsing empire"? We may not agree on things like their intervention in Afghanistan, and I don't think they had a reason to invade Iraq as they did but trying to paint the entire nation as criminal, is ludicrous. You continue with the accusations of genocide, but in accusing them you accuse almost all peoples of genocide including some of the native tribes who were the victims of the US. Your rant about the need to trample their flag and enslave their citizenry reveals you for what you are: jealous and hypocritical. You don't want people deciding what is right for themselves, you want them doing what you decide is right for them.
 
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Well booing the US National Anthem in Montreal is a favored past time. Maybe folks for St. Louis got sick of it. I went to Youtube and searched it and found that I did hear some booing but mostly I heard the Canadian Anthem. When Montreal does it they Boo so loud they completely drown out the singer.

Please don't confuse Montreal for Canada... they've had a habbit of being ill-mannered to many people but particularly Americans.
 

EagleSmack

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. Your rant about the need to trample their flag and enslave their citizenry reveals you for what you are: jealous and hypocritical. You don't want people deciding what is right for themselves, you want them doing what you decide is right for them.

exactly!
 

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Darkbeaver, what about canada's involvement in the Boer Wars, the Residential schools, etc.? Are you going to insist that 'Justice demands that' our 'flag be trampled in the dirt and' our 'citizens slave in chains to pay reparations for' our 'crimes of the last century and no fair minded human would argue that is' our 'just dessert'?

Instead, why not learn from Sweden's example. It has never acquired colonies, yet it gives 1% of its GDP every year and has been doing so for many years already towards helping underdeveloped countries. Not to make up for any past wrong, but just because Sweden feels it its duty to help the less fortunate.

Could we not think along the same lines and say that, regardless of our past attrocities, we should just help the less fortunate of the world regardless of our contribution to their misfortune, instead of wishing for our degradation and that we be trampled underfoot in punishment?

Sweden has risen above both our countries. It doesn't complain about not having contributed to the damage done to former colonies of other countries' imperialism. Instead, it just stands to the plate and makes a contribution. We have contributed to such attrocities, both Canada and the US, and all we can do is point fingers at each other? Let's rise above this and follow Sweden's lead. Let's just do what's right instead of wasting our energies in bashing each other. In the end, we need each other. You do realise, don't you Darkbeaver, that Canada's and the US' economies are so integrated that in the end, our wellbeing and their well-being go hand in hand? If either of our countries falls, the other will suffer too. And seeing that the US has 10 times our population, while Canada's fall might hurt the US economy a little, the US' fall would really give Canada a whopper of a headache.

In the end, working together to make a better world is the only way to go. The progress of each is dependent on the progress of all in this integrated world of ours.
 

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Well booing the US National Anthem in Montreal is a favored past time. Maybe folks for St. Louis got sick of it. I went to Youtube and searched it and found that I did hear some booing but mostly I heard the Canadian Anthem. When Montreal does it they Boo so loud they completely drown out the singer.

Yeah, that is par for the course there unfortunately. Booing a national anthem is tasteless and makes the crowd look like morons.