Anouncing a new web site: The Science of 9/11
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And yet we are still able to poke holes in your moronic ideas. You use pans made of structural steel for making cakes? :roll:
High-temperature Strength of A36 Steel:
See how little you actually understand, you can't even understand it was fries I was cooking, not a cake. And you expect me to believe that you pay real attention to anything. I'm not buying it.
How much heat was required for the heating process? In BTU's preferably. 10 -15 gallons a jet fuel fed only the oxygen it could acquire from the surrounding air. Really inside a building that has fires burning that is well below the oxygen level we breath with every breath.
Take the square of the whole building, insert the area that the core would occupy. That leaves two areas about 35ft and two areas about 60 ft long. Any wall in those areas were pony walls, each floor could have a unique floor-plan that did nothing to enhance or degrade the strength of the building itself. Go all out, plot all the things listed to get a true picture of how strong that building was.
No such thing as a winch on a d11 in a hard rock mine.;-)
I dont even think they make one for a pussy cat that big.
2-1-2-1 is used on hoes and cats all over western canada no matter what dirt,clay,permafrost or rock they are in,the more picks the less pounds per square inch and less penetration.
More of a chance to go skating at 60 mph down 5 kliks of haul road with more caulks though.I set the record in a D10r for distance traveled out of control on an 8% road.
Well then use it for an anchor for a winch, a big one.
I prefer my side-slopes to be on seismic-lines. Nothing like a bald knoll to give you the slide and 180 turn all at the same time. Walk straight ahead, as soon as it breaks loose put the brake on the uphill side. The other side gets brake only when your back is pointed downhill on the exact reverse angle. The chainers and surveyers often complained that they could not duplicate than move so they got to use the detours.
The LGP's also like a 'spike' on the very tips since those parts touch more often that the middle. The correct pattern for one that works in the trees is 1-1-1 LGP or not. Outside omes at least 6" past the bolt pattern as to eliminate cracking (more to do with steel at -40 than torque).
All of which has nothing to do with how much would a cool fire weaken just ine I-beam. Now how much heat is required to heat 47 steel beams and box-colums to the point that they are of little use. Transfer and radiation of heat is also a factor so add that in.
I did a lot of 360's on an ice road in a 4x4 that was doing 100mph when the first one happened. I lost count on the total number.
I prefer my side-slopes to be on seismic-lines. Nothing like a bald knoll to give you the slide and 180 turn all at the same time. Walk straight ahead, as soon as it breaks loose put the brake on the uphill side. The other side gets brake only when your back is pointed downhill on the exact reverse angle. The chainers and surveyers often complained that they could not duplicate than move so they got to use the detours.
The LGP's also like a 'spike' on the very tips since those parts touch more often that the middle. The correct pattern for one that works in the trees is 1-1-1 LGP or not. Outside omes at least 6" past the bolt pattern as to eliminate cracking (more to do with steel at -40 than torque).
All of which has nothing to do with how much would a cool fire weaken just ine I-beam. Now how much heat is required to heat 47 steel beams and box-colums to the point that they are of little use. Transfer and radiation of heat is also a factor so add that in.
I did a lot of 360's on an ice road in a 4x4 that was doing 100mph when the first one happened. I lost count on the total number.
Compared to who?? you??
Not many people want to spend much time on pages like this link below takes you to.
WTC Modeling and Simulation: CC704
Grades differences are quite similar, and just as dry.
Considering I was hanging off the edge of a mountain with a cornerbit hanging off one side in B.C. for 22 years building exploration roads for traxxons at 1800 meters I have no idea what your talking about.
And ive never seen a machine picked with "spikes",LGP or otherwise and ive been on lots of Iron.
Pulling the clutch on the uphill side would mean your cross clutch steering and you cant do that on the new iron with diff steering.If your actually a cat skinner you will know what the term means.
The 350 cat hoe I ran in the north had 4 foot wide pads,3 inches thick and picked to the nuts,the only time we broke pads was walking over the tundra and the rocks and we ran that old girl to -80 temps with windchill.
I do have a nice youtube vid of a an old d8 I ran doing reclamation for Teck if your interested,walking through the elk valley river.
YouTube - catbash2
On the 'older iron the first movement of the lever stopped power to that track, addition movement applied the brake. The downhill track was left to keep driving. If that can be done on the newer iron (one on brake the other on drive) then you can swoosh a sidehill. That is why the cat did an 180 arc. otherwise it would have been all the way down to the bottom sideways, not a good plan.
The spikes weren't very tall. Just some wear plate rod 'spotted' on the part of the track that usually rounds off first', the very ends. Like I said unless you did a lot of seismic you would never have seen them. Extreme slope stability was usually only needed if pulling bob-sleigh camps and fuel-sloops.
On the older iron which I learned on in 1978
(d4d) the first thing that happened when pulling the clutch was that side went into freewheel,no power or brakes on that track and thats called cross clutch steering and its used when going down any slope,the new iron is all diff steering but I can tell you that cruising down a haul road at 60 mph bouncing off ten foot berms,a high track diff steering r or later model is the best.You can at least keep the blade pointing in the right direction allthough after a few years I used to do it just for fun.
I know what picks they put on the pads on siesmic cats,any spare iron they can find laying around.:lol:
We used only the hardest stuff because they could afford it.
Your bringing back nightmares mentioning fuel sloops.Transferring 65 drums of fuel a day into a million gallon tanks just to keep the camp going.
I wont even mention what happened to the fuel from being transfered so many times,it was an organic thing.
And yes,I have a youtube vid on that also.
I'm a real cam *****,not very good but ha:smile:ve had one with me for 35 years.YouTube - Hauling fuel.
My original post said head forward as soon as stability is lost apply brake to upside track, apply other brake when 'downhill is directly behind you. For clarity, then drop blade and back up very slowly until stable ground is reached. Verify the correct line of travel (straight) and off you go again.
What with the snow-guards on the blades and low disturbance issues leaving giant scars in the mosses does not impress the locals. They don't mind the deep corks , just the depth and sharpness. deep with slightly rounded corners leaves almost no marks but is is not very resistant to skating sideways. Those small sharp ones fill in that gap without adding to the disturbance very much. It is also much kinder to the ice, if that even matters to anybody not walking.
Drowser bar is about as tough as you can get. Once on I'm not sure why hard-surfacing is not used more rather than the trimning and replacing. 4 or 5 spikes on an old cork will make it grip more without making the ride rougher as a new cork an inch or so higher.
I would imagine you hit 3rd after exiting the river. Doing 30 K of snowplow is a great way to spend a day LOL Crossing places like that (only frozen stiff) it is always nicest to be the original one making tracks for the others.
3ft of new snow and half-throttle in 3rd is about the normal travel speed, that is when it is the softest
How did you break the window in the first vid and our sloop held 3500 CND gallons and was close to 70 ft long? the trees block most of the wind if you parked on the right side of the lake. Temp looks like one of the warmer days.
I always wished somebody would make a pass for us to follow when making runways for the otters. Never failed to aim it right at the nearest high-point of land. If a half hour @ full throttle in 2nd was too short they should take up a new career. (two cats on water, slightly apart, means reduced speeds)
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I understand it was fries you were cooking. It's just extremely irrelevant to the conversation. I don't give a crap if you were cooking a Neptunian piglet. Why should I pay attention to nonsense as to what you cook in your oven?
"10-15 gallons a jet fuel fed oxygen" what? Proper English, please. I don't understand it jumbled.
You guys want to chatter about machinery, try making it a thread of its own.
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For one thing, it shows you have a lack of comprehension when reading even the simplest of sentences.
"10 -15 gallons a jet fuel fed only the oxygen it could acquire from the surrounding air" would supply how many BTU's?
Instead of hearing what didn't happen on 9/11... I want to hear from the conspiracy folks EXACTLY what did happen.
Piece it all together...give us your version.
Don't cop out. Let's hear it. Don't forget to cover all the bases.
For example... we all have heard that the accused 9/11 Terrorist are still alive so I want to hear who flew the planes (if there were any). If a missle hit the Pentagon I want to hear about what happened to the flight that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon. Get my drift?
So let's hear it.
Piece it all together...give us your version.
Don't cop out. Let's hear it. Don't forget to cover all the bases.
For example... we all have heard that the accused 9/11 Terrorist are still alive so I want to hear who flew the planes (if there were any). If a missle hit the Pentagon I want to hear about what happened to the flight that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon. Get my drift?
So let's hear it.
I think that's what MHz has been attempting to do.. He offered his hypothesis that the planes were remote controlled. He offered the idea that explosives blew up the buildings. So far, what he's offered has been full of holes like his version of why the planes couldn't have brought the buildings down.
Although I don't swallow the "official" version of what happened, I won't jump onto the bandwagon of the other side (with their own holey tales) "just because" the official story is holey.
Anna,
The WTC buildings are just part of it. There were four flights that day. I want a summary of what happened from them.
He says it is possible that the planes were flown remotely. Then what happened to the people on those flights that morning? They were real. I know because I see the family of one of them every year at a company picnic. The family gets invited because that morning their sister got on a plane in Boston heading to LA and was never heard from again. Many think she was on the first plane to hit WTC 1 but I am hearing from conspiracist that that didn't happen.
How they set the explosives... who. Who flew the planes... who fired the missle...what happened to Flt 93... etc. We all know (according to them) that the official story is a cover up for what "really happened".
So I want to hear what really happened.
The WTC buildings are just part of it. There were four flights that day. I want a summary of what happened from them.
He says it is possible that the planes were flown remotely. Then what happened to the people on those flights that morning? They were real. I know because I see the family of one of them every year at a company picnic. The family gets invited because that morning their sister got on a plane in Boston heading to LA and was never heard from again. Many think she was on the first plane to hit WTC 1 but I am hearing from conspiracist that that didn't happen.
How they set the explosives... who. Who flew the planes... who fired the missle...what happened to Flt 93... etc. We all know (according to them) that the official story is a cover up for what "really happened".
So I want to hear what really happened.
I know. I am waiting for a decent story, too. So far, what I have seen is a great deal of holey conjecture.
And one with legs know what I mean.
I say that guys like Atta and his cronies got on the plane and hijacked it and they say he didn't.
So...
I want to hear the FINAL story of what did happen.