Ann Coulter upsetting people....again

[YukonJack]

"I'm not sure "allegory" is the word you are looking for. I think you'll find that in Aesop's Fables"

Definition of "allegory": a fable, a story, poem, etc. in which the events depicted are used to convey a deeper moral, spiritual meaning.

So, it'a judgement call.

 

[Machjo]

thank God Canada has hate laws

Why? Hatred is morally repulsive, but should hate itself be illegal, or only incitements to violence?

The same can be said for weapons. Sure we should avoid the weaponization of society, but that does not mean through laws necessarily. Some do have legitimate reasons to own weapons.

 

[CDNBear]

That's why I'd stipulated the assumption that he'd received the education needed to distinguish right from wrong.

But the community suborns illegality through inaction, promotion of myth and hindering prosecution.

We do have a public universal compulsory education system in this country that does teach the rule of law.

In limited amounts.

Though we could argue whether that is enough to make him amoral person, I would say it is enough to make him at least recognize the consequences of disobeying the law.

And so what it, by your standard, be enough to educate the community that fostered the behaviour.

So unless some special circumstance prevented him from receiving such an education, I'd say he's responsible for his own actions regardless what others around him do.

He is ultimately culpable, but in so being, so is any community, that suborns the abhorrent behaviour.

Pardon me, CDNBear for being so bold as to question your superiority you so gloatingly claimed earlier, did you by any chance mean "LIABLE" when carelessly and incorrectly, twice used the word "libel"?

Being superior, I can and will admit my error. Thanx for pointing it out and giving me yet another opportunity to show my superiority YJ.

As an aside, why is this website legal in a country supposedly fighting a war against terrorism:

Free speech.

But I highly doubt their server is in the continental US.

 

[CDNBear]

to me it looked like you were telling me that I was wrong in stating that Jefferson was a Republican thinker.

You are, and she was telling you, you were wrong.

Why? Hatred is morally repulsive, but should hate itself be illegal, or only incitements to violence?

The same can be said for weapons. Sure we should avoid the weaponization of society, but that does not mean through laws necessarily. Some do have legitimate reasons to own weapons.

Well said.

 

[Machjo]

There's a difference between free speech an incitements to violence.

To say that the murder of an abortionist is acceptable is essentially an affront to the law.

There has to be some kind of limit. I don't think Ann Coulter has crossed it though she comes close. But that website essentially praises the one who killed the doctor.

 

[YukonJack]

Liberalman, for reason known only to him, opined:

"thank God Canada has hate laws"

Liberalman, if somebody beat the crap out of you would you feel less angry, wounded and hurt if he/she murmured in your ear while doing it that he/she loves you?

Hate laws are nothing but a joke and a crutch for the politically correct.

 

[CDNBear]

There's a difference between free speech an incitements to violence.

I agree, but that is merely my version of free speech.

To say that the murder of an abortionist is acceptable is essentially an affront to the law.

In a decent society.

There has to be some kind of limit. I don't think Ann Coulter has crossed it though she comes close. But that website essentially praises the one who killed the doctor.

And there you find the community making themselves culpable.

 

[Machjo]

As for what degree of education is required before a person can be held liable for his actions is debatable of course. But for all intents and purposes, I'd say anything successful completion of grade 9 or higher in any Canadian provincial public school is enough to have taught him right from wrong. All public schools in Canada are expected to teach respect for the law starting at an early age.

Again, this is just my opinion, and I could be wrong. Sure I agree that one should not beheld responsible for his actions under a certain age or in the absence of an adequate education to have taught him right from wrong. In my opinion though, our public school system does do a good job of teaching respect for the law at least, thus eliminating any excuses on that front

 

[Machjo]

And there you find the community making themselves culpable.

Yes, but assuming that the killer himself had been taught respect for the law in school, or at the very least the consequences of breaking the law, then he is still responsible for his actions regardless of shared culpability.

 

[CDNBear]

Yes, but assuming that the killer himself had been taught respect for the law in school, or at the very least the consequences of breaking the law, then he is still responsible for his actions regardless of shared culpability.

I never negated his culpability.

 

[Machjo]

I never negated his culpability.

Fair enough.

The only time I could excuse an adult of culpability would be if society had somehow failed to educate him (in which case society is responsible for not have done so) or if he's proven insane or otherwise incapable of knowing right from wrong (in which case society is still responsible for removing his freedom from him to the extent necessary to protect society from him in spite of his innocence).

 

[Liberalman]

Ann Coulter has to remember that she is in another country and not America.

American constitution protects her rights to promote an uneven playing field.

This document protects her rights as a white American to incite riots.

America was founded on the principle of revolution.

Canada is more peaceful and polite and really don't care of the contentious way of life.

Ann is welcomed here anytime but she should leave her sewer sludge thinking back in America

 

[CDNBear]

Ann Coulter has to remember that she is in another country and not America.

Why?

American constitution protects her rights to promote an uneven playing field.

Yep.

This document protects her rights as a white American to incite riots.

Link please.

America was founded on the principle of revolution.

Link please.

Canada is more peaceful and polite and really don't care of the contentious way of life.

Ummm, ya...

Ann is welcomed here anytime but she should leave her sewer sludge thinking back in America

Oh look, another professed liberal with censorship in his heart...:lol:

 

[Liberalman]

America was founded on the principle of revolution.
Link please.

Are you saying that America wasn't founded because of a revelution against the British?

What books are you reading CDNBear?

 

[Libertarian]

Ann Coulter has to remember that she is in another country and not America.

American constitution protects her rights to promote an uneven playing field.

This document protects her rights as a white American to incite riots.

America was founded on the principle of revolution.

Canada is more peaceful and polite and really don't care of the contentious way of life.

Ann is welcomed here anytime but she should leave her sewer sludge thinking back in America

Wondering what you think about French riots by Muslims, then? Soon that will be happening here, if it hasn't already.

 

[Libertarian]

Christian Identity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An example of how corrupted interpretations of religion and violence ensuing from it is not unique to Islam.

Corrupted interpretations? Have you ever read the Bible, Torah, or Qu'ran? There is numerous verses in all three texts, that permit the slaughtering of non-believers. You act like religious texts are somehow good, they aren't.

Read them. They are horrid, far worse then anything anyone else can add to them.

 

[Libertarian]

Several people have tried to inform a few people here about that. Basically a libertarian is the opposite of an authoritarian and can be left-wing, right-wing or centrist (which is the only likeness it has to authoritarianism). It's a futile effort to educate some people about it.

Yeah. Just like you can be a leftist Authoritarian (Commie), or a right-wing authoritarian (Fascist), you can be a leftist or right-wing Libertarian.

 

[Libertarian]

Oh and here is some links if you think religious texts are somehow pure.

Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon
Skeptic's Annotated Quran

Both religions are full of "hate speech".

 

[AnnaG]

Whatever. I think those Muslim students should grow some skin and realize Coulter for what she is - a right-wing clown not to be taken seriously.

 

[CDNBear]

Are you saying that America wasn't founded because of a revelution against the British?

That's not what you said, and I certainly made no such claim.

What books are you reading CDNBear?

Many and varied. Canadian and American history is my favourite topic, next to Tom Clancy.

Answer the post, please provide links to support your erroneous assertions.