An Inside Look at World War II's Bloodiest Battle

[EagleSmack]

True enough. My point was that if Hitler hadn't decided on two fronts, WE would have had a harder time of it. Maybe lost.

I was just throwing an opinion in. I agree wholeheartedly with you. His two front war was insane. Especially taking on such strong nations all at once.

The best thing about old people like you is the rapidly approaching expiration dates.

Huh? How old do you think I am?

 

[darkbeaver]

True enough. My point was that if Hitler hadn't decided on two fronts, WE would have had a harder time of it. Maybe lost.




..........ouch........

His bullets are like unto foam.

I was just throwing an opinion in. I agree wholeheartedly with you. His two front war was insane. Especially taking on such strong nations all at once.



Huh? How old do you think I am?

Too old.

I was just throwing an opinion in. I agree wholeheartedly with you. His two front war was insane. Especially taking on such strong nations all at once.



Huh? How old do you think I am?

His two front war wasn't his idea, remember Russia was poised to invade. The nations were nothing compared to the bankers.

 

[EagleSmack]

Too old.

Nice try old lady.

His two front war wasn't his idea, remember Russia was poised to invade. The nations were nothing compared to the bankers.

With what? You're such an idiot.

 

[petros]

No he defeated the Russians.

Muscovites. Muscovites were an off shoot outpost of Kyivian-Rus (Russians).

 

[EagleSmack]

Muscovites. Muscovites an off shoot outpost of Kyivian-Rus (Russians).

Well you just need to look up Ghengis and see that he defeated the Russian Princes... all of them. Actually his Generals did, Ghengis was not present. Then they put a big wooden platform on top of all the Russian Princes and had a celebration on top of it crushing them all to death. Talk about being bogged down.

 

[petros]

Well you just need to look up Ghengis and see that he defeated the Russian Princes... all of them. Actually his Generals did, Ghengis was not present. Then they put a big wooden platform on top of all the Russian Princes and had a celebration on top of it crushing them all to death. Talk about being bogged down.

First he attacked the Muscovites who got help from Khan to take over the Kievan Rus (Russians). The Muscovites inserted their own Prince and moved him to Moscow from Kiev.

I know my own own history dude.

 

[EagleSmack]

Okie dokie

 

[darkbeaver]

Another brilliant rebuttal Smack, your dance card must be full at all times.

War is never played until all the face cards ( third side) are safely bunkered at a distance while the indebted slaughter each other for the enrichment and entertainment of the monied.

 

[coldstream]

In both WW1 and WW2 the battles in the East were characterised by engagements of annihilation. They were known as 'cauldron' battles involving 100's of thousands of men.. often with out the taking of prisoners. Nothing in the West really compared with the brutality of the Eastern Front.. and that's saying something.. because those could be very bloody as well.

 

[petros]

Okie dokie

Muscovites took the Kievan Rus with help of Khan. He never held it.

 

[EagleSmack]

Another brilliant rebuttal Smack, your dance card must be full at all times.

For one like yourself who is mired in fantasy and complete buffoonery I'd say it was a quite fitting rebuttal. The Soviets were going to attack Nazi Germany?! How ridiculous.

Muscovites took the Kievan Rus with help of Khan. He never held it.

Dude... you're way off. Go look it up. The Muscovites were vassals and paid tribute to the Mongols. Even your map says "Movements of Ghengis Khan and his generals".

Mongol invasion of Rus' - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'

 

[petros]

Genghis never made it to Kiev, he was bogged down in the peet bogs to the south of Kiev (Hitler was too). One of his generals Batu Khan attacked from the north with the Muscovites (Moscow) who then took Kiev and the Kievan Rus, inserted their own Prince adding Moscow to the Principailty and moved the throne to Moscow and called it Russia. There was no Russia for Genghis to take until after the Muscovites and his general took Kiev and did the switcheroo creating Russia

To this day the Ukrainians (Kievan Rus) and Muscovites (Russians) have been fueding and straightening out the botch history put forth by the Soviets. There was even rivalry in the Kremlin between Stalin and Krushchev who was a Ukrainian.

 

[EagleSmack]

Genghis never made it to Kiev, he was bogged down in the peet bogs to the south of Kiev (Hitler was too). One of his generals Batu Khan attacked from the north with the Muscovites (Moscow) who then took Kiev and the Kievan Rus, inserted their own Prince adding Moscow to the Principailty and moved the throne to Moscow and called it Russia. There was no Russia for Genghis to take until after the Muscovites and his general took Kiev and did the switcheroo creating Russia

To this day the Ukrainians (Kievan Rus) and Muscovites (Russians) have been fueding and straightening out the botch history put forth by the Soviets. There was even rivalry in the Kremlin between Stalin and Krushchev who was a Ukrainian.

That explains why the Subatai and his Mongol Generals placed a big wooden platform on Six Russian Princess and had a victory celebration and feast crushing them to death.

Gengis was never bogged down anywhere and it is irrelevant that his generals sacked Kiev and not Gengis personally. Gengis was the leader of the Mongol Horde and his Generals won many battles in his absence. But the Mongols moved at the word of their leader... Gengis Khan.There was no modern day Russia but the ancestors of modern Russians were whipped soundly and paid tribute to the Golden Horde until the 1400's.

I would like to see a link that puts the Khans armies in a supporting role to the Muscovites. I surely can't find one.

 

[damngrumpy]

There are some great stories out of WWII including this one. Stalingrad was particularly
harsh from both sides. It was a war across a fifteen hundred mile front of which this one
was one of several battles. It should be noted the terrible things that happened in Leningrad
and the Germans did reach the suburbs of Moscow before it ended.
When I was younger I was working on a farm in the South Okanagan for a short period of time
and came across an older guy who survived that particular battle as a German soldier.
The horrors he described on both sides should not have been endured by anyone.
Those who say these are tales from a forgotten or skewed past are partially right but I do think
that some could probably remember almost every detail.

My folks had a motel and orchard when I was a kid and I had the good fortune to talk to an aging
Jewish lady who was from Germany, she spent the war there. How you might ask? Well some
doctored papers and an act of bravery that is second to none. She lived in the city in an upstairs
apartment, right above a police station that was partly manned by SS in the area. She kept a
straight face and respectful manner even when these people who would be looking for her held
the door open for her sometimes at the main entrance.
To sum it up there were cowards and brave people the like the world will never see again and they
served on all sides of the conflict.

 

[darkbeaver]

For one like yourself who is mired in fantasy and complete buffoonery I'd say it was a quite fitting rebuttal. The Soviets were going to attack Nazi Germany?! How ridiculous.

Well Smack how ridiculous is it? The delay was six years or so by that time all sides were exhausted except of course the bankers who were elated and fatter than at anytime in history, and all they had to do was murder a hundred million people and destroy two or more continents. But the self anointed Israelites were saved in the end and lived to steal Palestine so the price was deemed a bargin. The victors write history Smack and they lie every time.

 

[EagleSmack]

Well Smack how ridiculous is it? The delay was six years or so by that time all sides were exhausted except of course the bankers who were elated and fatter than at anytime in history, and all they had to do was murder a hundred million people and destroy two or more continents. But the self anointed Israelites were saved in the end and lived to steal Palestine so the price was deemed a bargin. The victors write history Smack and they lie every time.

DB ...You poor thing.

CanCon Members... please forgive me for toying with the mentally challenged.

 

[darkbeaver]

DB ...You poor thing.

CanCon Members... please forgive me for toying with the mentally challenged.

Being mentally challenged is very good exercise. Try it, a few weeks would really trim the fat off your head and you could wear a sock for a hat, like before.

 

[EagleSmack]

Being mentally challenged is very good exercise. Try it, a few weeks would really trim the fat off your head and you could wear a sock for a hat, like before.

Again CanCon members... I am sorry for rattling the tard's cage.

 

[petros]

That explains why the Subatai and his Mongol Generals placed a big wooden platform on Six Russian Princess and had a victory celebration and feast crushing them to death.

Gengis was never bogged down anywhere and it is irrelevant that his generals sacked Kiev and not Gengis personally. Gengis was the leader of the Mongol Horde and his Generals won many battles in his absence. But the Mongols moved at the word of their leader... Gengis Khan.There was no modern day Russia but the ancestors of modern Russians were whipped soundly and paid tribute to the Golden Horde until the 1400's.

I would like to see a link that puts the Khans armies in a supporting role to the Muscovites. I surely can't find one.

Is that the 'mercan version?

Russia, the Kievan Rus, and the Mongols: Crash Course World History #20 - YouTube

 

[EagleSmack]

Is that the 'mercan version?

Russia, the Kievan Rus, and the Mongols: Crash Course World History #20 - YouTube

American? How does the Mongols whipping the Russians have anything to do with America?