Americans manufacture another nuclear crisis

damngrumpy

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Its one thing to develop the technology, but the threats against others in the region is not helpful. I think we should not get involved in a war over this but
if the Iranians do go beyond threats then serious action should be taken. If the
Iranians do wage an aggressive attack, they give them the same medicine they
gave Japan in 1945. I have no problem with it as long as the Iranians made the
first move. More importantly though, the west should be working on the young
people to destabilize the present regime and oust Muslim Militants from power.
 

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"but now al-Queda is gone" Prove it.

The Taliban gave sanctuary to al-Queda so they could work out in Afhgan. Now the Afghans, including the Taliban, have likely learned their lesson and will steer clear of al-Qeda. Afghans big fight is with themselves and need to sort it out with an internal political solution.

Sure they say al-Queda has morphed into some web based monster, but we're on to them now. And the US especially has gone overboard, a Bush legacy. There are always nuts who want to attack the West, that will never stop, but they are pretty weak. And Obama has taken a lot of steam out of them.
 

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So many WMD details. Iraq was attacked due in large part to Saddam firing a gun on TV several times. People around the world, the middle class, sitting in their living rooms, felt fear in the air and someone had to respond, to do something.

Saddam put a big sign on his head that said, "Shoot me." So someone whacked him with a slightly larger gun. Most people watch TV, read headlines and rely on their emotions. Like Bush. It's not that technical.
 

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Don't count on that, the Taliban were political arm of the coalition that defeated the Russians. These groups are a tribal mix and most people don't understand that.
The reason we are having so much trouble is this is a mix of tribal and societal
peoples, that is also why we have so much difficulty with them here. These
folks for the most part a loyal first to their tribal roots then the country. There is
also two different versions of Islam, the Persian version which is Shia and the
traditional Arab version which is somewhat less radical.
Right now the radicals, well fanatics, the Taliban believe the world should return to
fundamentalism, a stark stone age version of Islam which seeks to take over the
world. You can't have discussions with a bully, so we must fight them now or later
but we will have to fight them.
 

earth_as_one

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Iran hasn't threatened anyone despite anti-Iran propaganda based on manipulated misinformation to the contrary. Its the other way around. The US and Israel are a threat to Iran.

Israel and the US have nukes. Iran does not.

Iran is in compliance with the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel and the US are not.

If Israel and the US thought they could bomb Iran's arms factories under the guise of taking out Iran's non-existent nuclear weapons facilities without paying a heavy price, they'd have done it already. Iran's rockets are probably the only reason why Iran hasn't been attacked.
 

AnnaG

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So letting yet another country with obvious problems have nukes is a good answer? Perhaps then we could give nukes to all the Idi Amins, Bokassas, etc.
 

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Iran hasn't threatened anyone despite anti-Iran propaganda based on manipulated misinformation to the contrary. Its the other way around. The US and Israel are a threat to Iran.

Israel and the US have nukes. Iran does not.

Iran is in compliance with the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel and the US are not.

If Israel and the US thought they could bomb Iran's arms factories under the guise of taking out Iran's non-existent nuclear weapons facilities without paying a heavy price, they'd have done it already. Iran's rockets are probably the only reason why Iran hasn't been attacked.

B.S. really

YouTube - Indian Bull Sh*t
 

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I'm just thankful that McCain isn't in the white house for this one.

Barack Obama may become a great man someday....I don't know, I'm willing to give him a chance, I wish him all the best.

John McCain IS a great man. What he suffered in the Hanoi Hilton on a matter of principle puts him far far above any ordinary man. He has been tested in the fires of adversity, and has proven the strength of his character.

Obama should aspire to be half the man John McCain is.
 

Colpy

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Iran hasn't threatened anyone despite anti-Iran propaganda based on manipulated misinformation to the contrary. Its the other way around. The US and Israel are a threat to Iran.

Israel and the US have nukes. Iran does not.

Iran is in compliance with the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel and the US are not.

If Israel and the US thought they could bomb Iran's arms factories under the guise of taking out Iran's non-existent nuclear weapons facilities without paying a heavy price, they'd have done it already. Iran's rockets are probably the only reason why Iran hasn't been attacked.

Unfortunately, EAO, you have long since proven yourself an apologist for the enemies of the west, a propagandist for terrorist tyranny, a person so caught up in cultural self-loathing, unappreciative of the advantages of their own society,.........completely caught up in a personal anti_israel, anti-US obsession, it is increasingly difficult to take you seriously.

You are a Lord Haw Haw.

Not a good thing.
 

earth_as_one

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I think all countries should have to meet the same standards.

When Iran tortures people, its called torture. When the US and Israel do its called "enhanced interrogation". When Palestinians militants fire rockets at Israel killing about 12 people over the last decade, its called terrorism and a war crime. When Israel lays waste to entire residential neighborhoods, attacks UN bomb shelters with chemical weapons, shoots civilians waving white flags and blocks food, medicine, infrastructure required to purify water and treat sewage artificially causing famine, malnutrition and disease, its called legitimate self defense. I think imposing sanctions on Iran for their legal, NPT compliant nuclear program is hypocritical considering that most of the nations calling for the sanctions violate the NPT.

Unlike you I don't support violence or defend starving and killing innocent people. Regarding Israel and the Occupied territories and the middle east in general, I'm in favor of placing a complete arms embargo on the entire region.

I'm sympathetic to the suffering of innocent civilians everywhere, regardless of race, religion or culture.

When I debate, I try to stick to the issues and deal with the points made by others. I actually follow people's links, try to keep an open mind. I think name calling and insults are rude and unnecessary. We should be able to politely and respectfully agree to disagree.
 

earth_as_one

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Unfortunately, EAO, you have long since proven yourself an apologist for the enemies of the west, a propagandist for terrorist tyranny, a person so caught up in cultural self-loathing, unappreciative of the advantages of their own society,.........completely caught up in a personal anti_israel, anti-US obsession, it is increasingly difficult to take you seriously.

You are a Lord Haw Haw.

Not a good thing.

Lord Haw-Haw was the nickname of several announcers on the English language propaganda radio program Germany Calling, broadcast by Nazi German radio to audiences in Great Britain on the medium wave station Reichssender Hamburg and by shortwave to the United States. The program started on 18 September 1939 and continued until 30 April 1945, when Hamburg was overrun by the British Army. The nickname generally refers to William Joyce, who was the German radio's most prominent English language speaker, but was also applied to other speakers...

...Although the broadcasts were widely known to be Nazi propaganda, they frequently offered the only details available from behind enemy lines concerning the fate of friends and relatives who did not return from bombing raids over Germany. As a result, Allied troops and civilians frequently listened to Lord Haw-Haw's broadcasts in spite of the sometimes infuriating content and frequent inaccuracies and exaggerations, in the hopes of learning clues about the fate of Allied troops and air crews.

Lord Haw-Haw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you believe what I am about is spouting enemy propaganda, you are free to try to make that point. I reference reputable sources like Amnesty International, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Atomic Energy Agency and post facts from these sources and others of similar reputation and objectivity which contradict American and domestic propaganda. Propaganda is the correct term. IMO, you mostly parrot American and domestic propaganda without critical thought regarding whether it makes sense or not.

People can get similar opinions to yours from FoxNews:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/u...-network-celebrates-13-years.html#post1159976

Sometimes I do quote Iranian and Palestinian sources, when appropriate. I don't expect anyone to take their viewpoint as any more accurate than American and Israeli sources which I also reference, when appropriate. People who listen to all sides of a issue are going to be more informed than people who just listen to one side. I like to think that at a minimum my posts offer balance to viewpoints like yours. Reasonable rational people can read both our posts, consider our opposing viewpoints and make up their own minds.

Also consider how boring a debate would be if everyone agreed.

I'd also like to point out that MSM hype, misinformation and outright lies led a majority of people to support an unprovoked war in Iraq which has since killed about a million people. If people had listened to all sides including UN Weapon Inspectors, Amnesty International and the Red Cross, they would have been able to easily figure out they were being manipulated by the MSM.

After all this time, in the face of all the evidence, I'm amazed that some people still haven't figured out they can't trust the MSM or our leaders. They have lied to us and they are lying to us.

The "Iran Nuclear Weapon Threat" is a recent example. I have taken the time to research the facts and post them here on this forum. I don't claim to know for certain whether or not Iran intends to manufacture nuclear weapons. So far the evidence supports Iran's claims that their nuclear program is peaceful. Claims that Iran intends to build nuclear weapons is speculation at best. At worst, its blatant demonizing propaganda intended to support yet another unprovoked war killing millions more people.

A reasonable person should be able to figure out that an empty building under construction open to international scrutiny isn't a threat without much critical thought.
 

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"americans manufacture another nuclear crisis"


Big surprise....americans aren't happy unless they're killing someone.
 

earth_as_one

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Barack Obama may become a great man someday....I don't know, I'm willing to give him a chance, I wish him all the best.

John McCain IS a great man. What he suffered in the Hanoi Hilton on a matter of principle puts him far far above any ordinary man. He has been tested in the fires of adversity, and has proven the strength of his character.

Obama should aspire to be half the man John McCain is.

I like mcCain too. I disagree with most of his viewpoints but he ran an honorable and for the most part clean campaign.

However his running mate Palin was ditzy. The thought of mcCain croaking on the job and Palin inheriting commander-in-chief was pretty scary.

I'm also not that impressed with Obama or Biden so far.
 

damngrumpy

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Iran has in fact made threats in the form of irrational statements about wiping Israel of the map. That in international politics is in fact a threat. I can see the
Iranians have some rights but when people say they are rational or stable it makes
me want to say, just take them out.
Sooner or later we will be in it with part but not all of the middle east. When push
comes to shove the Sunni Muslims will side against the Shia's. Of course getting into
a nuke fight is not the best thing either, but I am willing to bet if America lobbed
a few at Iran, China and Russia would protest like hell and do nothing. The reason
both those countries have problems with fanatical Muslims and they are as tired of
them as western countries. The answer, go in and put an end to them from a
power stand point.
 

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Yeah, screw an entire region full of civilians because of a few politicians/ayatollahs. Sorry, but I hardly think those pols and clerics are worth that much.
Send in the CIA assassins and hand pick their targets. It's not like they haven't done it a hundred times before.
 

L Gilbert

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Send in the CIA assassins and hand pick their targets. It's not like they haven't done it a hundred times before.
Bad idea. The CIA get confused often. They'd probably end up picking off a women's rights activist or a barber or clothier or physician. Maybe even a couple kids thinking they were midget ayatollahs
Lookit El Salvador. El Salvador 1980-94 KH
 
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