Vanni Fucci said:
Yes, but who cares what they prefer. I say we have a politician barbecue. Start fresh. Maybe a little crispy
Americans burning American flag
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Yes, but who cares what they prefer. I say we have a politician barbecue. Start fresh. Maybe a little crispy
I think not said:Vanni Fucci said:
Yes, but who cares what they prefer. I say we have a politician barbecue. Start fresh. Maybe a little crispy
It would be the perfect time to try some of that Canadian Cousine! :lol:
I think not said:
No law in place, has been tried. Here is an Australian link on Flag Protection laws
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bd/2003-04/04bd042.htm
DasFX said:
Thanks DasFx, thats interesting to know.
Now I wonder, if they do not allow flag burning, what does that say if anything about Australian government?
I think not said:
It says that Australia and its government is a fair and just, but with boundaries.
I think there are more important things to be concerned about... BUT...
I think that people who burn the flag do it more to get other people upset and their purpose is to incite them more than excersise their right to free speech. Their are more constructive ways to express your discontent with the govt.
For example... you are protesting... shouting, cheering, holding signs, making speeches... and then you spark up Ol' Glory. At that point most everyone will just think you're a trouble maker and that you are trying to incite other people. Your message is lost because burning the flag has just drowned out the point you are trying to make. You have just isolated yourself and your cause.
I think that people who burn the flag do it more to get other people upset and their purpose is to incite them more than excersise their right to free speech. Their are more constructive ways to express your discontent with the govt.
For example... you are protesting... shouting, cheering, holding signs, making speeches... and then you spark up Ol' Glory. At that point most everyone will just think you're a trouble maker and that you are trying to incite other people. Your message is lost because burning the flag has just drowned out the point you are trying to make. You have just isolated yourself and your cause.
Re: RE: Americans burning Ame
As opposed to the well thought out policies of the Grand Banks.
Reverend Blair said:
As opposed to the well thought out policies of the Grand Banks.
Vanni Fucci said:
Haha, that was hilarious.
There's supposed to be a winking avatar at the end, right? The Marines didn't do it on purpose. They held the flag right-side up at Skydome during game 3.
RE: Americans burning Ame
Flag-burning is deeply offensive but is a form of free expression so thus shouldn't be illegal.
Flag-burning is deeply offensive but is a form of free expression so thus shouldn't be illegal.
Flags are symbols. (nothing more) Burning them , is symbolic. Not sure about all this emotional attachment to a piece of cloth that is mainly symbolic. Burning a flag or in mulitiples is making a statement. Perhaps it is the statement that should be addressed , not the act of cloth burning.
When people get to the point of burning a symbol (important as it is to the US).......what are they "saying" to America??
When people get to the point of burning a symbol (important as it is to the US).......what are they "saying" to America??
I think not said:
I like the law, to everything there a limitations. Australia has some good policies, including mandatory voting and a much better system of immigration (Selective rather than the open flood gate approach of Canada).
Aussie, Aussie, Aussie - Oye, Oye, Oye!!!
Re: RE: Americans burning American flag
Your theory of symbols being just symbols and nothing more is logical, but is not true. I mean symbolizism plays a lot. It is not the actually act of burning a cloth with various colour and pictures on it, it is what it represents.
If burning a good symbol such as our Canadian Flag is okay and a form of freedom of expression. Would then a person who chose to fly the German Nazi flag have that same right?
If I own a house and I wanted to paint a big Canadian flag on my garage, people probably wouldn't mind, but I painted a big swastika I think people would mind and I'd probably be ordered to remove it. Both are symbols. The swastika is just a series of lines connected at right angles, what the big deal, just a symbol. But somehow, it isn't. Just like a Canadian Flag or any flag, it is more than a cloth it holds meaning. I don't believe it is just un chiffon rouge.
Ocean Breeze said:
Your theory of symbols being just symbols and nothing more is logical, but is not true. I mean symbolizism plays a lot. It is not the actually act of burning a cloth with various colour and pictures on it, it is what it represents.
If burning a good symbol such as our Canadian Flag is okay and a form of freedom of expression. Would then a person who chose to fly the German Nazi flag have that same right?
If I own a house and I wanted to paint a big Canadian flag on my garage, people probably wouldn't mind, but I painted a big swastika I think people would mind and I'd probably be ordered to remove it. Both are symbols. The swastika is just a series of lines connected at right angles, what the big deal, just a symbol. But somehow, it isn't. Just like a Canadian Flag or any flag, it is more than a cloth it holds meaning. I don't believe it is just un chiffon rouge.
Logically/technically speaking that person would have that right.
Just as Prince Harry had the right to wear that uniform. Unfortunately it is the connotation behind the symbol that has such inflamatory inference /meaning , that people react negatively.
I suppose it matters on how much value one places on symbolism.
an aside but in keeping with "symbolism". When I travel , I do NOT carry or wear any 'national" symbols at all. I travel as a human being/ citizen on this planet. My conduct should speak for itself. I don't need to hide behind a symbol......or to have one give me an identity.
Just a different perspective.
Ocean Breeze said:
We value symbols a lot, it forms the basis of everything in human society. The written language is really a much of symbols which we take meaning from.
How can I stick up my middle finger and have it mean something so different then when I display my middle and index finger up (separated to form a "V")
How can someone holding up their hand palm side out mean "stop", but if I do the same thing but separate the middle and ring finger it means "Live long and prosper"
It is just a hand, but it can mean so many things!
Religion, language, even on the internet. Tell me how a colon and open bracket can mean happy and sad (depending on the bracket orientation)? Symbols are everything. So we all place a lot of value in symbolism.
Ocean Breeze said:
That's a lie, what do you think your passport is? It's a symbol and it gives you identity.
hi FX.......that is quite true. I may not have made myself as clear as I could have. It is the XTREMES that are troubling. If a symbol is communicating something and is useful , then fine. But if a symbol is idolized, this is what I find a tad disquieting.
DasFX said:
A passport a "symbol"" since when??. It is an essential!!! It is a tool ./a ticket/a passage. I don't wear my passport on my lapel. Don't think we are on the same wave length at all. but that is fine.
You sure don't see many people making a Statement by burning their passports. :roll: