American Ignorance About Canada

Sassylassie

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lol-I doubt it Jay, I'm rather proud of my ability to squat in the shurbery and pee. I often expect to see a panel of judges holding up a score card that says "10" for my perfect landing.

JIm of course my food is hanging from a tree, with the Rats, Racoons and skunk I've decided to catch my Vittels. Who needs Sobeys?
 

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#juan said:
That little speech was from thirty odd years ago. Sinclair has been dead almost that long. America was taking a few well deserved hits because of the VietNam war. Gordon Sinclair knew what he was doing. Within a week or two he was lionized in the states as some kind of hero. Sinclair's speech bears no relevance to today. If people have to dig up stuff from thirty four years ago, they must be desparate.

Not many seem to mind when they dig up Vietnam, 30 years ago, OR, the bay of pigs, 50 years ago, the Spanish-American war :roll: , 100 years ago, we even have to tolerate crap from 1776 :roll:
 

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Ahhhhhhhh the fine distinction...

......between the "acceptable" post by Roger (who is Canadian) and Blue Alberta's (who is Canadian)reposting of Gordon Sinclair's message gives me pause for thought... However even though I am still Canadian, I should not post mine?

Could there be bias here? One Canadian's post is acceptable and "fun" - above criticism ...and another's "old reworked stuff".

And da winnah is: Roger for being the favorite!!!
 

#juan

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Not many seem to mind when they dig up Vietnam, 30 years ago, OR, the bay of pigs, 50 years ago, the Spanish-American war :roll: , 100 years ago, we even have to tolerate crap from 1776 :roll:

One of the points made in Sinclair's little rant was about how only America was building Airliners. We all know that isn't true any more don't we. It wasn't even entirely true in 1973. What I was talking about was having to go back thirty years to find praise.
 

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Study: Geography Greek to young Americans

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/05/02/geog.test/index.html

It's topic is world geography as opposed to Canada but I thought it was interesting. Some highlights:


- Thirty-three percent of respondents couldn't pinpoint Louisiana on a map.

- Fewer than three in 10 think it important to know the locations of countries in the news and just 14 percent believe speaking another language is a necessary skill.

- Two-thirds didn't know that the earthquake that killed 70,000 people in October 2005 occurred in Pakistan.

- Six in 10 could not find Iraq on a map of the Middle East.

- Forty-seven percent could not find the Indian subcontinent on a map of Asia.

- Seventy-five percent were unable to locate Israel on a map of the Middle East.

- Nearly three-quarters incorrectly named English as the most widely spoken native language.

- Six in 10 did not know the border between North and South Korea is the most heavily fortified in the world.

- Thirty percent thought the most heavily fortified border was between the United States and Mexico.
 

#juan

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Could there be bias here? One Canadian's post is acceptable and "fun" - above criticism ...and another's "old reworked stuff".

And da winnah is: Roger for being the favorite!!!

All you have to do is read. I said :
Roger is a Canadian and he is certainly free to express his point of view. Like anyone else. I thought his post had a few humorous points, after you told him:Well Roger - I hardly think you represent Canadians at all, therefore why would anyone want information from you?
 

darkbeaver

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Re: RE: American Ignorance About Canada

MagnoliaApples said:
Well said Zan!

I agree with Zan. You can't blame the people for it's govenment and I think alot of times people tend to forget that.

Actually Zan in a democracy you can directly blame the people for the government, and in the case of America if they continue to elect thieving murdering pricks then the American people are fair game. And before you attack me for favoritism don't , we in Canada have just elected an exact replica of the neo-con republican corporate bullshitters, so we're almost as guilty, and we have not tried hard enough in the past to stop America so there isn't much excuse for Canadians either.We're almost as fat lazy and stupid as they are.
 

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That little speech was from thirty odd years ago. Sinclair has been dead almost that long. America was taking a few well deserved hits because of the VietNam war. Gordon Sinclair knew what he was doing. Within a week or two he was lionized in the states as some kind of hero. Sinclair's speech bears no relevance to today. If people have to dig up stuff from thirty four years ago, they must be desparate.

Juan, you really ought to be careful about how you post. I went and looked at several posts just prior to my posting Sinclairs piece, and you mention Vietnam very often as an example of how the US has done things, so your criticism of my posting of Sinclairs piece, which mentions Vietnam, is totally baseless.

The point about the piece was that it is very similar to what we hear today, just based on circumstances from that time. Your comments about airliners shows how you are unable to actually debate anything. You continually dig up stuff from thirty years ago, so if you don't like to be hoisted on your own petard, you ought to get rid of your petard. Although I have to admit the mental image of you hoisted on a sharp petard does have a certain level of satisfaction......................... :roll:
 

#juan

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Typical, non sequitur reply.

You jump in in the middle and try, miserably, to make an argument from one post.
 

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Well, I'm certainly gald SOME Canadians here have enough brains to realize where I'm coming from.

Hang my food in a bag from a tree.... Hmmmm, only when out with Scouts teaching them how not to get eaten in a tent at night for having food with them. There's a Newfy joke somewhere in there.... And I have to admit that I never had a chest freezer outside with a padlock on it either, but there's still a few oil cans that say "BA" on them in the shed!

Reverse Discrimination - A friend came to town visiting with his American wife. Talk about Culture Shock. Yes, there are similarities between the societies, but where we are compared to the States is definately a foreign country.

Anyway, they're on the road headed out of town and they stopped by a relatives to say Sayonara. While speaking, the wife asked the relatives if it was alright if she went inside the house to use the facilities before hitting the road. They obliged, but as she walked towards the house, the relatives stared at her all the way to the door. Once inside the woman said;

"My God. She's been here nearly a month, AND SHE STILL GOES INSIDE!".

Only in Canada....
 

#juan

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I still like:


"Guess how many fish I've got in this bag and I'll give you da bot o dem." It was told to me by a newfie years ago, and it still gets a smile.
 

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From the London Telegraph in the UK

As our country honours the last of its four dead soldiers, we reprint a remarkable tribute to Canada's record of quiet valour in wartime that appeared in the Telegraph, one of Britain's largest circulation newspapers. - - -


LONDON-Until the deaths last week of four Canadian soldiers , probably almost no one outside their home country had been aware that Canadian troops were deployed in the region. And as always, Canada will now bury its dead, just as the rest of the world as always will forget its sacrifice, just as it always forgets nearly everything Canada ever does. It seems that Canada's historic mission is to come to the selfless aid both of its friends and of complete strangers, and then, once the crisis is over, to be well and truly ignored. Canada is the perpetual wallflower that stands on the edge of the hall, waiting for someone to come and ask her for a dance. A fire breaks out, she risks life and limb to rescue her fellow dance-goers, and suffers serious injuries. But when the hall is repaired and the dancing resumes, there is Canada, the wallflower still, while those she once helped glamorously cavort across the floor, blithely neglecting her yet again. That is the price Canada pays for sharing the North American continent with the United States, and for being a selfless friend of Britain in two global conflicts. For much of the 20th century, Canada was torn in two different directions: It seemed to be a part of the old world, yet had an address in the new one, and that divided identity ensured that it never fully got the gratitude it deserved. Yet its purely voluntary contribution to the cause of freedom in two world wars was perhaps the greatest of any democracy. Almost 10% of Canada's entire population of seven million people served in the armed forces during the First World War, and nearly 60,000 died. The great Allied victories of 1918 were spearheaded by Canadian troops, perhaps the most capable soldiers in the entire British order of battle. Canada was repaid for its enormous sacrifice by downright neglect, its unique contribution to victory being absorbed into the popular memory as somehow or other the work of the "British." The Second World War provided a re-run. The Canadian navy began the war with a half dozen vessels, and ended up policing nearly half of the Atlantic against U-boat attack. More than 120 Canadian warships participated in the Normandy landings, during which 15,000 Canadian soldiers went ashore on D-Day alone. Canada finished the war with the third-largest navy and the fourth-largest air force in the world. The world thanked Canada with the same sublime indifference as it had the previous time. Canadian participation in the war was acknowledged in film only if it was necessary to give an American actor a part in a campaign in which the United States had clearly not participated-a touching scrupulousness which, of course, Hollywood has since abandoned, as it has any notion of a separate Canadian identity. So it is a general rule that actors and filmmakers arriving in Hollywood keep their nationality-unless, that is, they are Canadian. Thus Mary Pickford, Walter Huston, Donald Sutherland, Michael J. Fox, William Shatner, Norman Jewison, David Cronenberg and Dan Aykroyd have in the popular perception become American, and Christopher Plummer, British. It is as if, in the very act of becoming famous, a Canadian ceases to be Canadian, unless she is Margaret Atwood, who is as unshakably Canadian as a moose, or Celine Dion, for whom Canada has proved quite unable to find any takers. Moreover, Canada is every bit as querulously alert to the achievements of its sons and daughters as the rest of the world is completely unaware of them. The Canadians proudly say of themselves-and are unheard by anyone else-that 1% of the world's population has provided 10% of the world's peacekeeping forces. Canadian soldiers in the past half century have been the greatest peacekeepers on Earth- in 39 missions on UN mandates, and six on non-UN peacekeeping duties, from Vietnam to East Timor, from Sinai to Bosnia. Yet the only foreign engagement that has entered the popular non-Canadian imagination was the sorry affair in Somalia, in which out-of-control paratroopers murdered two Somali infiltrators. Their regiment was then disbanded in disgrace-a uniquely Canadian act of self-abasement for which, naturally, the Canadians received no international credit. So who today in the United States knows about the stoic and selfless friendship its northern neighbour has given it in Afghanistan? Rather like Cyrano de Bergerac, Canada repeatedly does honourable things for honourable motives, but instead of being thanked for it, it remains something of a figure of fun. It is the Canadian way, for which Canadians should be proud, yet such honour comes at a high cost. This week, four more grieving Canadian families knew that cost all too tragically well.
 

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Did you hear about

the Cessna 172 thaqt crashed and burned in a cemetary near St. Johns. Firemen at the crash site said " The airplane hit pretty hard and imbedded it's self in the ground, So far we've got thirty seven bodies......:p





A Cessna 172 is a four passenger airplane... :p
 

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www.dominion.ca/English/CanadaDayQuizFACTUM2005.pdf

The 2005 Annual Canada Day History Quiz

Most Canadians Fail Canada Day History Quiz (40%)


Only 1 of 1,000 Respondents Got all 20 Questions Right

However, 94% of Canadians Believe Learning History is
Important and 84% Personally Want to Learn More
Toronto – June 30, 2005 – The average Canadian could correctly answer only 8 of the 20 questions (or 40%) contained in a Quiz on the country’s economic history.

The Quiz – conducted in the form of a telephone survey of 1,000 randomly selected Canadians nationwide – was commissioned by the Dominion Institute and TD Bank Financial Group, and conducted by the Innovative Research Group.

The survey gauged Canadians’ knowledge of key facts and events related to the country’s economic history. While the survey finds that Canadians’ knowledge of their history is poor, respondents overwhelmingly agree that knowing our nation’s history, especially key economic events, is important, and they want to learn more.
British Columbia and Ontario residents scored best (40%); Quebec residents performed the most poorly (33%). No region answered more than 9 questions correctly on average, and Canadians generally did much worse on history not of their region.

The phone survey of 1,000 randomly selected Canadians was conducted between June 13th and June 17th, 2005, and has a margin of error of +/- 3.1%, 19 times out of 20.

Canada Day Quiz Results
Two out of three Canadians fail the Canada Day Quiz
On average, Canadians answered 8 of the 20 Canada Day quiz questions correctly. Only three Canadians in one hundred answered 15 or more questions correctly. 32 per cent answered between 10 and 14 questions correctly, while most Canadians (46%) answered between one-quarter and one-half of all the questions correctly. One in five Canadians (20%) knew the answers to four questions or less. Just one Canadian in one thousand was able to answer all 20 questions correctly.

Canadians scored highest (78%) in identifying World War II as the major world event that brought more than 1,000,000 Canadian women into the workforce. Three out of four Canadians (74%) knew that Eaton’s was the Canadian company that launched a catalogue business based on its founder’s hope that “This catalogue is destined to go wherever the maple leaf grows.” Two-thirds of Canadians (67%) also knew that the Hudson’s Bay Company got its start from the fur trade.

Six of ten Canadians (64%) could identify NAFTA as the trade agreement signed in 1994 between Canada, the United States and Mexico. More than half (54%) could identify the Canadian Pacific Railway as the engineering feat that was completed in 1885 with the hammering of the Last Spike. The same percentage knew that Joseph Armand Bombardier created the first commercially viable snowmobile.

Only one Canadian in twenty could name the Pacific Scandal as the event that brought down the government of John A. MacDonald in 1873. Canadians also struggled to identify the National Energy Program as the “major Canadian economic policy of Pierre Trudeau’s government (that) sparked the creation of a bumper sticker proclaiming ‘Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark!’” Just 8 per cent could name this program. Just one Canadian in ten knew that Wilfrid Laurier’s support for reciprocity, or free trade with the United States, cost the Liberals the 1911 federal election. Only one Canadian in five could identify pemmican as the combination of dried meat and berries the Métis people produced to feed the fur traders. A similar number (21%) were able to identify Caisse Populaire Desjardins as the cooperative financial institution that got its start in Lévis, Québec in 1900.
 

Micksandy

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Subject: article in pittsburgh post gazette about canada

This is a super good article on Canada from an American's perspective. Check
it.

It's not just the weather that's cooler in Canada
Wednesday, July 30, 2003
You live next door to a clean-cut, quiet guy. He never plays loud music or
throws raucous parties. He doesn't gossip over the fence, just smiles
politely and offers you some tomatoes. His lawn is cared-for, his house is
neat as a pin and you get the feeling he doesn't always lock his front door.
He wears Dockers. You hardly know he's there.
And then one day you discover that he has pot in his basement, spends his
weekends at peace marches and that guy you've seen mowing the yard is his
spouse.
Allow me to introduce Canada.
The Canadians are so quiet that you may have forgotten they're up there, but
they've been busy doing some surprising things. It's like discovering that
the mice you are dimly aware of in your attic have been building an espresso
machine.
Did you realize, for example, that our reliable little tag-along brother
never joined the Coalition of the Willing? Canada wasn't willing, as it
turns out, to join the fun in Iraq. I can only assume American diner menus
weren't angrily changed to include "freedom bacon," because nobody here eats
the stuff anyway.
And then there's the wild drug situation: Canadian doctors are authorized to
dispense medical marijuana. Parliament is considering legislation that would
not exactly legalize marijuana possession, as you may have heard, but would
reduce the penalty for possession of under 15 grams to a fine, like a
speeding ticket. This is to allow law enforcement to concentrate resources
on traffickers; if your garden is full of wasps, it's smarter to go for the
nest rather than trying to swat every individual bug. Or, in the United
States, bong.
Now, here's the part that I, as an American, can't understand. These poor
benighted pinkos are doing everything wrong. They have a drug problem:
Marijuana offenses have doubled since 1991. And Canada has strict gun
control laws, which means that the criminals must all be heavily armed, the
law-abiding civilians helpless and the government on the verge of a massive
confiscation campaign. (The laws have been in place since the '70s, but I'm
sure the government will get around to the confiscation eventually.) They
don't even have a death penalty!
And yet ... nationally, overall crime in Canada has been declining since
1991. Violent crimes fell 13 percent in 2002. Of course, there are still
crimes committed with guns -- brought in from the United States, which has
become the major illegal weapons supplier for all of North America -- but my
theory is that the surge in pot-smoking has rendered most criminals too
relaxed to commit violent crimes. They're probably more focused on
shoplifting boxes of Ho-Hos from convenience stores.
And then there's the most reckless move of all: Just last month, Canada
decided to allow and recognize same-sex marriages. Merciful moose, what can
they be thinking? Will there be married Mounties (they always get their
man!)? Dudley Do-Right was sweet on Nell, not Mel! We must be the only ones
who really care about families. Not enough to make sure they all have health
insurance, of course, but more than those libertines up north.
This sort of behavior is a clear and present danger to all our stereotypes
about Canada. It's supposed to be a cold, wholesome country of polite,
beer-drinking hockey players, not founded by freedom-fighters in a bloody
revolution but quietly assembled by loyalists and royalists more interested
in order and good government than liberty and independence.
But if we are the rugged individualists, why do we spend so much of our time
trying to get everyone to march in lockstep? And if Canadians are so
reserved and moderate, why are they so progressive about letting people do
what they want to?
Canadians are, as a nation, less religious than we are, according to polls.
As a result, Canada's government isn't influenced by large, well-organized
religious groups and thus has more in common with those of Scandinavia than
those of the United States, or, say, Iran.
Canada signed the Kyoto global warming treaty, lets 19-year-olds drink, has
more of its population living in urban areas and accepts more immigrants per
capita than the United States.
These are all things we've been told will wreck our society. But I guess
Canadians are different, because theirs seems oddly sound.
Like teenagers, we fiercely idolize individual freedom but really demand
that everyone be the same. But the Canadians seem more adult -- more secure.
They aren't afraid of foreigners. They aren't afraid of homosexuality. Most
of all, they're not afraid of each other.
I wonder if America will ever be that cool.
 

Micksandy

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sorry guys....I dropped in a couple of cool newspaper articles as per the thread topic....I didnt realize it was about the newfs...lol

don't get me started on jokes.....
 

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No, you brought it back on track. Love the Plane crash one!

ONe thing I beg to differ with in the first article - Americans are fully aware of CDN involvement in Afghanistan, and are greatful for their Ally To The North.