Amber Alert for Calgary boy, 5, who was last seen with grandparents

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They are up against a very intelligent criminal that is very capable of challenging the best minds the cops have to offer.

Or it's a stranger on stranger crime (rare but not unheard of) and they were taken in the night when the odds of witnesses would be fewer.

The cops may very well have evidence but unless it leads to a specific place it's pretty much useless.
 

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yes it could have been the place was cased during the sale...and the stranger returned...

god knows there are predators out there with the sole intention of murder with a motive only they could know
 

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yes it could have been the place was cased during the sale...and the stranger returned...

god knows there are predators out there with the sole intention of murder with a motive only they could know

It never would have ever occurred to me that a case like the Tim Bosma one could have happened either. And I'm convinced the only reason that they caught up with whats his face, Millard, is that it was during the day and there were witnesses plus they'd 'cased' a guy out a day or two before (what ever you want to call it). If they hadn't done that and had no witnesses, the police probably wouldn't have put those two (Bosma & Millard) together.
 

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I'm thinking the answer may lie in those chemicals the cops found on the farm. If you drop a body into a "bath" of sulphuric or hydrochloric acid, I don't think there's much left. Just a long shot but might be worth looking into.

yes it could have been the place was cased during the sale...and the stranger returned...

god knows there are predators out there with the sole intention of murder with a motive only they could know


I'd say very likely.

Another scenario is that this was preplanned days before it happened and they already had a pit dug way out in the boondocks ready to dump the bodies and fill them in. They could be buried at Nordegg for all we know.
 

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It never would have ever occurred to me that a case like the Tim Bosma one could have happened either. And I'm convinced the only reason that they caught up with whats his face, Millard, is that it was during the day and there were witnesses plus they'd 'cased' a guy out a day or two before (what ever you want to call it). If they hadn't done that and had no witnesses, the police probably wouldn't have put those two (Bosma & Millard) together.
correct, the woman he killed had just gone missing even though her parents and her ex-boyfriend gave the police every reason to follow up with Millard it really wasn't done...don't know why...but they think he likely killed others too, we'll never know ... he had that disposer on his farm...they still haven't found her body

or

the one that was recently sent to the dump here in Kitchener

dump stuff gets carted away...bodies could be spread all over the States by now
 

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correct, the woman he killed had just gone missing even though her parents and her ex-boyfriend gave the police every reason to follow up with Millard it really wasn't done...don't know why...but they think he likely killed others too, we'll never know ... he had that disposer on his farm...they still haven't found her body

or

the one that was recently sent to the dump here in Kitchener

dump stuff gets carted away...bodies could be spread all over the States by now

Yes and the woman, Lara Babcock, actually had a personal connection to Millard.

I think that most crimes are perpetrated by someone you know. That's what you always hear anyway. So in those cases, the connection and often the dispute/history/animosity is quickly ascertained by the police. Now with this "person of interest" they have that connection, supposedly, but it doesn't seem like any hard evidence has turned up. It could be, and I'm not wagering a guess as to the likelihood of it, that whatever history this guy has with the family/grandfather, it could just be a coincidence. Lots of people have business disputes every day, they don't all lead to abduction and (probably) murder.
 

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Yes I agree, but three people??? I mean I'm sure it hard enough to hide one one person, but three?? Sure is a strange case??

If the pit is remote enough, or the lake deep enough, it doesn't matter if its 1 or 3. The bodies will eventually be found but not by searching for them. Somebody will be building a basement somewhere or fishing and snag a line or something.
 

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Yes and the woman, Lara Babcock, actually had a personal connection to Millard.

I think that most crimes are perpetrated by someone you know. That's what you always hear anyway. So in those cases, the connection and often the dispute/history/animosity is quickly ascertained by the police. Now with this "person of interest" they have that connection, supposedly, but it doesn't seem like any hard evidence has turned up. It could be, and I'm not wagering a guess as to the likelihood of it, that whatever history this guy has with the family/grandfather, it could just be a coincidence. Lots of people have business disputes every day, they don't all lead to abduction and (probably) murder.
absolutely and now his name and his reputation has basically been shredded and the lives of his parents turned upside down along with their farm...and now after being arrested twice, people in the community will "wonder"....a horrible nightmare for him and his family...and people can be so cruel
 

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If the pit is remote enough, or the lake deep enough, it doesn't matter if its 1 or 3. The bodies will eventually be found but not by searching for them. Somebody will be building a basement somewhere or fishing and snag a line or something.

They may eventually be found. That's the thing about this country of ours, it's so vast. Unless someone is building a basement or fishing in the exact right spot, they may never be found.

absolutely and now his name and his reputation has basically been shredded and the lives of his parents turned upside down along with their farm...and now after being arrested twice, people in the community will "wonder"....a horrible nightmare for him and his family...and people can be so cruel

Well I'm still not betting against him but yes, if it turns out he had nothing to do with it, it will be shame. Of course, if they should never find the missing three and it remains unsolved, there will always be a question over his head. Rightly or wrongly.
 

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Some people are already starting to forget the distinct possibility they could still be alive! Like the cop said there is no reason so far to presume they are dead. Wish they'd say what they know about that blood.
 

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Some people are already starting to forget the distinct possibility they could still be alive! Like the cop said there is no reason so far to presume they are dead. Wish they'd say what they know about that blood.

The logistics of keeping 3 people alive and captive makes the odds against grow daily. I am afraid the odds heavily favour the house at this point ... unfortunately.
 

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They may eventually be found. That's the thing about this country of ours, it's so vast. Unless someone is building a basement or fishing in the exact right spot, they may never be found.



Well I'm still not betting against him but yes, if it turns out he had nothing to do with it, it will be shame. Of course, if they should never find the missing three and it remains unsolved, there will always be a question over his head. Rightly or wrongly.
yeah I think he likely did it, but without proof, he didn't *shrug* whacha gonna do?
 

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yeah I think he likely did it, but without proof, he didn't *shrug* whacha gonna do?


There's sure a lot missing- plausible motive, weapon, questionable ability of one guy in his mid 50s to dispatch 3 people, no record of violence- I suppose the cops have the answers to these but just aren't saying.
 

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Following final sweep of the Liknes property Saturday, police say nothing more to do there


Nathan O'Brien Amber Alert: Final search of Liknes home ends - Calgary - CBC News
thanks I was actually confused about which property had been returned...so it's the actual house of the missing couple, not buddies parent's farm...okay...that changes everything again...

a violent crime, suggests a lot of blood

There's sure a lot missing- plausible motive, weapon, questionable ability of one guy in his mid 50s to dispatch 3 people, no record of violence- I suppose the cops have the answers to these but just aren't saying.
I don't believe a lot is missing at all...the motive was money, the weapon could have been a knife or a gun or the corner of a table. Access was easy he was not a stranger,everyday people allowing someone into their home that they know don't suspect that they are going to kill them. That was likely not even the intent.

buddy turns up at the house knowing there will be cash on hand due to the sale...he asks for the money and is denied, things get ugly and the old man fights back, the old guy goes down slams his head splits it open and things go from bad to worse...

to me there's no question about ability of one guy in his mid 50's to kill an old guy accidently and the wife and child are easy to control...there's some shock value there too as well as not knowing her personality which could have been weak or scrappy we don't know...

also easy to control two adults with a knife to the babies throat

as for no violence, we don't know that at all...there were no violent acts on record...that's not to say he wasn't violent

there's a million scenarios...

also, not saying he was on drugs at the time but if so it changes one's nature (violence and strength, and ability to think coherently) oh look he smashed his head and is bleeding out let's call an ambulance....to oh look he smashed his head, panic and do something stupid like strangle him while he is down and have the upper hand
 

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If they had several charges on him from other matters, and wanted to keep him under wraps, one way is to charge him separately with the other charges and add the next charge once he gets released on bail.


Doesn't really matter, he's not going to disappear unless he jumps in the lake.

This entire thing just makes me feel ill..... :(


There's definitely a lesson here for everyone.

I don't believe a lot is missing at all...the motive was money, the weapon could have been a knife or a gun or the corner of a table. Access was easy he was not a stranger,everyday people allowing someone into their home that they know don't suspect that they are going to kill them. That was likely not even the intent.


I guess I missed that, thought I'd been following it pretty close. Do you really think there was enough money there (yard sales generally just attract loose change) to justify killing three people? Not saying it's impossible but could only be a real sicko that would do it. Why not just stick up a bank or jewelry store and make it worth while? -:)