Amanda Knox And Sollecito CLEARED of murder charges
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Which means this women is a victim of extreme incompetence and malicious prosecution. I hope she sues...
I find that good news Andem. I've been sort of following this case as well. What got me was
the screwed up testimony of a lot of the prosecution wittnesses.
The question of guilt or innocence cannot even be contemplated in the absences of facts.
That is what happened in this case. The Prosecutors decided to act on what appeared to
be true and not necessarily on what was true. The real sad fact is the case was so messed
up we will never know the truth about who did or did not kill the victim. Therefore it shall
now remain a case of justice denied That is a sad indictment on the Italian society.
That is what happened in this case. The Prosecutors decided to act on what appeared to
be true and not necessarily on what was true. The real sad fact is the case was so messed
up we will never know the truth about who did or did not kill the victim. Therefore it shall
now remain a case of justice denied That is a sad indictment on the Italian society.
That would mean there would have to be malice. This is just the incompetance of the Italian justice system -- guilty until proven innocent.
ETA: glad she got out though. The whole thing reaked of wrongful conviction.
If I was her I would get out of Dodge as it were, you never know what the
prosecution will do over there. This is why people should think twice about
moving to any foreign country for any extended period of time. I just don't
travel outside of Canada anymore.
prosecution will do over there. This is why people should think twice about
moving to any foreign country for any extended period of time. I just don't
travel outside of Canada anymore.
Knox's "confession" came after 56 hours of interrogation with no lawyer. The prosecutor continued to try to pin the crime on her and her boyfriend even after DNA evidence led the police in a completely different direction. Even a confession by the proven killer which exonerated Knox, still wasn't enough to get her release. Eventually DNA evidence linking Knox to the crime was tossed out after it was proven to be cross contaminated and misinterpreted, overturning her conviction.
What with the heavy handed prosecution and ignoring of evidence one could almost believe she was being tried in Canada. Glad she beat the rap.
After 56 hours of interrogation, a lot of people would admit to murdering JFK. :wav:
That prosecutor Manini has a Sherlock Holmes complex. He trusts his intuitions which are founded on an elaborate structure of a conspiracy of an evil mastermind, a Moriarity and his legions. He decided Amanda and Rafaelle were guilty at a glance, and never wavered. He considers himself a crusader in a war between Good and Evil.
He has a history of ruthless pursuit of targets, employing the considerable clout of the Italian justice system to use perjury, liable and slander laws to cow the media to support his version of events alone, and intimidate witnesses. It works in detective stories but not in real life prosecutions.
He was found guilty of prosecutorial misconduct prior to the case but was allowed to continue with this case. He's like a pitbull who is relentless in his attack, and never questions his original prejudices and never lets contrary evidence get in the way of his pursuit.
I know there was not enough evidence to warrant a trial in this case, much less a conviction. But i'm also suspicious that there is more to the story than we'll ever know. It is ludicrous to think that these two students would work in league with the Ivory Coast drifter, a loner, with a long history of burglery and drug dealing in this crime.
But there are unanswered questions surrounding the 'discredited' murder weapon found in Rafaelle's apartment .. why it was washed with bleach, why it had residual DNA of Amanda and Meredith, even if at a threshold that could be explained by third party transfer, it was still there and still unexplained. And why Amanda implicated another black man in first interrogation.. that seemed to come out of the blue.. and had some resemblance to the real perpetrator.
I think justice was done.. but i don't think the full truth of this murder will ever be fully known.
He has a history of ruthless pursuit of targets, employing the considerable clout of the Italian justice system to use perjury, liable and slander laws to cow the media to support his version of events alone, and intimidate witnesses. It works in detective stories but not in real life prosecutions.
He was found guilty of prosecutorial misconduct prior to the case but was allowed to continue with this case. He's like a pitbull who is relentless in his attack, and never questions his original prejudices and never lets contrary evidence get in the way of his pursuit.
I know there was not enough evidence to warrant a trial in this case, much less a conviction. But i'm also suspicious that there is more to the story than we'll ever know. It is ludicrous to think that these two students would work in league with the Ivory Coast drifter, a loner, with a long history of burglery and drug dealing in this crime.
But there are unanswered questions surrounding the 'discredited' murder weapon found in Rafaelle's apartment .. why it was washed with bleach, why it had residual DNA of Amanda and Meredith, even if at a threshold that could be explained by third party transfer, it was still there and still unexplained. And why Amanda implicated another black man in first interrogation.. that seemed to come out of the blue.. and had some resemblance to the real perpetrator.
I think justice was done.. but i don't think the full truth of this murder will ever be fully known.
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Where's the justice for Knox? She lost four years of her life, during which her name was trashed.
foxy knoxy is free.
i heard an audio clip of her singing a song on inside edition. if i can find it i will post it.
i'm guessing she won't be eating italian anytime soon. that didn't come out the way i intended.
She did, she's probably back in Seattle by now. Yep, looks like the prosecution is looking to take another crack at her, guess they have Double Jeopardy in Italy.
The victim's family put up this site:
True Justice For Meredith Kercher
They still believe she was involved in the murder. I have followed this case to some extent since I watch BBC news quite often. In all honesty, I was surprised at the reversal of the verdict because it had been reported all along as if Knox was as guilty as sin.
True Justice For Meredith Kercher
They still believe she was involved in the murder. I have followed this case to some extent since I watch BBC news quite often. In all honesty, I was surprised at the reversal of the verdict because it had been reported all along as if Knox was as guilty as sin.
The parents provided quite a media campagne about this. Seems they are moneyed.
Did she and her BF do the dirty deed under some drug induced and high emotional state?? We will never know for sure.
Do they have a reasonable alternative for the crime?? they might have .....depends on the evidence.
This legal status change happened so suddenly .......that red flags are popping up like crazy.
Oh well......she is back in Seattle and the darling of the media now.
Seems that the media makes or breaks a case these days. The lawyers are mere puppets for the show.
She did not do herself any favors with her manipulative behavior. And I don't think that personality trait has been altered in jail. If anything.......given that it is critical as part of survival mode in captivity ....it is probably finely honed now.
One can only hope she will live a productive , constructive and caring life now. Time will tell.
exellent points and I agree. So much has been manipulated that one is hard pressed to see what the facts are. Personally. I think she knows a lot more than she will tell anyone. Unless she writes a book .....a rather popular routine now for "celebs". ( regardless of how they aquired their celeb status.
very interesting site. Thanks for posting it. I too have lots of questions. Not that it matters now.........unless something else happens in the legal dept.
Something stinks. And it is not nec Italian pasta.
By Nick Squires, Perugia
12:27AM BST 03 Oct 2011
FIVE REASONS KNOX IS GUILTY
1) The confession.
Knox confessed that she was in the house on the night of the murder and that she heard Miss Kercher scream, identifying a Congolese bar owner, Patrick Lumumba, as the assailant. She told the court during the trial that the confession was made under duress but then repeated the entire account in a five page memorandum the next morning.
2) The false accusation.
The prosecution said the fact that Knox falsely accused Lumumba of being the killer was a sign of her own guilt and an attempt to throw them off her trail. He was arrested in a dawn raid by armed police and spent two weeks in jail. It was only by chance that a Swiss businessman read about the case and came forward to say he had been talking to Lumumba in his bar on the night of the murder — offering him a rock-solid alibi. Lumumba says Knox nearly ruined his life and is suing her for defamation.
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3) The alibi.
Sollecito could not back up Knox’s alibi on the night of the murder.
She claimed she spent the evening with him, smoking marijuana, watching the French film Amelie and making love. But Sollecito told police he could not remember if Knox was with him that evening or not.
Even assuming his memory was hazy because of the drugs, it seemed odd that a young man who had just embarked on a new relationship could not recall whether he had spent the night with his girlfriend or not.
4) Computer and telephone records.
Sollecito claimed he used his computer to download and watch cartoons and Amelie. But computer experts told the court that there was no activity on his laptop between 9.10pm on Nov 1, and 5.32am the next morning — the time frame in which the murder took place.
Knox and Sollecito turned off their mobile phones on the night of the murder, from around 8.40pm, and turned them back on at around 6am, inviting further suspicion.
5) The staged break-in.
A bedroom belonging to one of Miss Kercher’s Italian flatmates was ransacked on the night of the murder, with a window smashed with a rock. But police said the break-in was staged - broken glass from the window was found on top of clothes scattered on the floor, suggesting the window was broken after the contents of the room were messed up. Prosecutors accused Knox and her boyfriend of staging the break-in to make the killing look like a burglary that had turned into rape and murder.
FIVE REASONS KNOX IS INNOCENT
1) Lack of motive.
There still seems to be no convincing motive for the murder.
Prosecutors said tensions between Knox and Miss Kercher had reached boiling point over disagreements about housework, hygiene and boyfriends. They claimed Knox was driven to rage by jealousy towards her British flatmate. But it seemed far-fetched to claim that such relatively minor differences would lead Knox to kill.
2) Lack of DNA.
None of Knox’s DNA was found in the bedroom in which Miss Kercher was stabbed to death. The prosecution claimed that Knox’s DNA was on the handle of the presumed murder weapon, a kitchen knife, and Kercher’s genetic material on the blade, linking the American to the killing.
They also said that Sollecito’s DNA was found on the clasp, which had been cut or torn off the bra, proving that he took part in the attack too.
But a review of the evidence by two independent experts from La Sapienza University in Rome found that the DNA traces were too low to be reliable and so small that they could not be retested.
The bra clasp was only found six weeks after the initial crime scene investigation, by which time it had been kicked around the floor of Miss Kercher’s bedroom, leading to a high risk of contamination.
3) No witnesses.
The prosecution struggled to come up with witnesses who could place Knox and Sollecito at the scene of the crime. A homeless drug addict, Antonio Curatolo, told the initial trial that he had seen Knox and her boyfriend arguing on the night of the murder near the scene of the crime. But during the appeal he gave confusing and contradictory evidence, mixing up dates, and admitted to regularly using heroin, further undermining his credibility.
Even Rudy Guede, the Ivory Coast-born drifter who was also convicted of the murder, initially said that Knox was not in the house on the night of the murder. He changed his story a few months after his arrest, saying that on coming out of the bathroom he had grappled with a stranger, who could have been Sollecito, and that he saw Knox’s silhouette outside the house.
4) Doubts over the murder weapon.
Police and prosecutors said Miss Kercher was killed with a 6.5 inch long kitchen knife found in Sollecito’s apartment. But the blade of the knife did not match two out of three of the wounds to her neck.
Nor did it match a bloody, knife-shaped smear on Miss Kercher’s bedclothes. The trial judge said that two knives must have been used; the second has never been found.
5) The false confession.
The defence said that when Knox "confessed" to being in the house on the night of the murder and could remember hearing Miss Kercher scream, she was traumatised and acting under extreme psychological pressure after an all night interrogation by police. Knox told the trial that during the questioning she had been cuffed around the head by an officer and told that if she did not start cooperating she would face decades in jail. She was questioned without a lawyer being present and at the time she knew only basic Italian.
She spent 4 years in Italian prison and her family spent around $1million on her defence costs (according to CBS news).
On the flip side, there was already a TV movie made about her (no one says another cannot be made)and publishers are reported to be anxious to get their hands on the journal she kept, with estimates of its worth being in the millions. Plus there is a lot of competition with the news networks to get that first 1 on 1 with her. Her story is worth a bundle.
In the long run, she'll be OK (even taking into account therapy costs, which may be extensive) ... perhaps even better off in that this will earn her enough that she won't have to work unless she wants to or lives a completely unsustainable lifestyle. She is still in her early 20s: her life is not over and although she may have undergone some adversity, unless she really did get away with murder, this may strengthen her as a person and help her to lead a better life. (Yeah I'm an optimist, just don't tell anyone)
I don't know if we'll ever know for sure. The prosecution want to appeal the acquittal but
they will have to come up with a lot of better evidence. I think any new appeal at this point
will ber thrown out. None of the evidence I've seen thus far would hold much water in
this part of the world.