Always remembering what a Harper majority means

[Cannuck]

Harper wants it to be do as I say not as I do. Guys like you tell him that's alright.

Guys like me aren't telling him it's alright. Guys like me are saying that all the parties are the same. When we finally had a politician who was willing to stand up to this sort of thing (by advocating giving citizens the ability to recall politicians), guys like me supported him. When we finally had a politician that felt service to the public was more important than service to the party, guys like me tried to get that politician elected. Guys like you played party politics as usual.

I think that you misunderestimate (I love that word) the voters. From what I know (based on friends and family), the average voter took the sponsorship scandal as the straw that broke the camel's back, the final thing that made them completely disgusted with the Liberal Party. Similar to Mulroney's last term, but with less drastic results. People were fed up.

The fact that this was part of the Martin/Chretien internal battle, which of course was simply the Martin/Trudeau battle continued, was only something that political wonks were interested in.

I think that you over estimate the voters. Popular vote for the Liberals dropped 6 percent between the elections that bracketed the sponsorship scandal. If the scandal truly disgusted Canadians, I think more would have turned out and voted against them.

 

[Unforgiven]

Guys like me aren't telling him it's alright. Guys like me are saying that all the parties are the same. When we finally had a politician who was willing to stand up to this sort of thing (by advocating giving citizens the ability to recall politicians), guys like me supported him. When we finally had a politician that felt service to the public was more important than service to the party, guys like me tried to get that politician elected. Guys like you played party politics as usual.

Well then guys like you are lacking in cognitive ability thinking the Greens are the same as the Torys.

It seems that when an election comes along one can only use the track record to show what the future will likely entail. You call it partisan politics. I have to say those who fail to learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

Now that Harper is saying that a minority government will hurt Canadians while we're bombing Libyans because the dictator who is the single voice in Libya is what's hurting Libyans. It's no longer about a single person being good for the country but instead about a coup by rightwing thugs whose Canada doesn't include you or me.

I can deal with minority governments having to work together to make government work, but I don't think I can manage to live under a government who is declaring war on me because I don't agree with their politics.

 

[Cannuck]

Well then guys like you are lacking in cognitive ability thinking the Greens are the same as the Torys.

I voted Green in the last election. Was that because of my lack of cognitive ability?

 

[JLM]

I've started thinking this discussion of who/what is best is an utter waste of time. Not only are they dishonest, corrupt and immoral, they are hypocrites. Look what Harper a self professed Christian did to that woman- now I'm not only down on politicians but I don't trust Christians! S.O.B. :-(8O

I voted Green in the last election. Was that because of my lack of cognitive ability?

You might call it that..............................or St____ity!

 

[Colpy]

Well then guys like you are lacking in cognitive ability thinking the Greens are the same as the Torys.

It seems that when an election comes along one can only use the track record to show what the future will likely entail. You call it partisan politics. I have to say those who fail to learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

Now that Harper is saying that a minority government will hurt Canadians while we're bombing Libyans because the dictator who is the single voice in Libya is what's hurting Libyans. It's no longer about a single person being good for the country but instead about a coup by rightwing thugs whose Canada doesn't include you or me.

I can deal with minority governments having to work together to make government work, but I don't think I can manage to live under a government who is declaring war on me because I don't agree with their politics.

COHERENT.

It is a wonderful thing.

You seem increasingly unable to be it. The Libya paragraph above is incomprehensible.

Calm down. You'll live.

And I do understand what you mean, I lived under a gov't that had "declared war" on my culture for decades.

But it is all democracy.

A lot of Canadians disagree with you: enough to give Harper another gov't, maybe a majority.

No need to run the ship of state aground by letting the BQ steer.....there will be other opportunities.

And yeah, I get wound up to. It does nothing for your powers to convince.

 

[Unforgiven]

I voted Green in the last election. Was that because of my lack of cognitive ability?

Yup. See you would know that if you weren't so screwed up.

COHERENT.

It is a wonderful thing.

You seem increasingly unable to be it. The Libya paragraph above is incomprehensible.

Calm down. You'll live.

And I do understand what you mean, I lived under a gov't that had "declared war" on my culture for decades.

But it is all democracy.

A lot of Canadians disagree with you: enough to give Harper another gov't, maybe a majority.

No need to run the ship of state aground by letting the BQ steer.....there will be other opportunities.

And yeah, I get wound up to. It does nothing for your powers to convince.

Even Quebec deserves a voice in my Canada. I won't convince you Colpy, no one will. I accept that as the way things are but I don't have to agree with it. You do as you see fit as will I.

 

[Colpy]

Even Quebec deserves a voice in my Canada. I won't convince you Colpy, no one will. I accept that as the way things are but I don't have to agree with it. You do as you see fit as will I.

Sure they deserve a voice.

I have never said that the BQ should not be allowed into the House........Quebecers have every right to elect whomever they like to Parliament.....we just shouldn't encourage them to elect separatists. And forming gov't with separatist support is DEFINITELY encouraging them.

 

[cranky]

A Harper majority would be 4 years of the conservatives following through with the kind of legislation that Canadians want so bad that they have been unwilling to support the Liberals.

Perhaps, if we gave the conservatives a chance to fix the Liberal policies( the ones that the Liberals are too stubborn to fix) , maybe then, we could vote the Liberals back into power.

In my opinion, the quicker we can fix the Liberal legislation, the quicker we can vote them back to protect our medical system, etc.

 

[CDNBear]

In my opinion, the quicker we can fix the Liberal legislation, the quicker we can vote them back to protect our medical system, etc.

From what?

 

[cranky]

From what?

I'm just saying that even though I support the conservatives enough to vote for them in this election, their stance on protecting medicare is weaker than the Liberals. And, I would be more open to supporting the Liberals if the Conservatives we given a chance to fix some of the Liberals actions that I didn't like.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm just saying that even though I support the conservatives enough to vote for them in this election, their stance on protecting medicare is weaker than the Liberals.

Protecting it from what?

 

[JLM]

A Harper majority would be 4 years of the conservatives following through with the kind of legislation that Canadians want so bad that they have been unwilling to support the Liberals.

Perhaps, if we gave the conservatives a chance to fix the Liberal policies( the ones that the Liberals are too stubborn to fix) , maybe then, we could vote the Liberals back into power.

In my opinion, the quicker we can fix the Liberal legislation, the quicker we can vote them back to protect our medical system, etc.

The only fix for the medical system is up to the people. Until more people start adopting a healthier life style, the system is going to be plagued with expensive heart surgery, cancer, stokes, diabetes etc. Abuse of the E.R. also costs a fortune.

 

[CDNBear]

The only fix for the medical system is up to the people. Until more people start adopting a healthier life style, the system is going to be plagued with expensive heart surgery, cancer, stokes, diabetes etc. Abuse of the E.R. also costs a fortune.

Until people stop taking junior to the ER for a sniffle, the system will be over taxed.

 

[JLM]

Until people stop taking junior to the ER for a sniffle, the system will be over taxed.

Or grampa for getting drunk and falling down the stairs. :lol:

 

[cranky]

Until people stop taking junior to the ER for a sniffle, the system will be over taxed.

The last time I was in ER it was jammed full of patients that weren't there for sniffles.

 

[CDNBear]

Or grampa for getting drunk and falling down the stairs. :lol:

Acts of stupidity, resulting in injury, should be exempt from public coverage.

The last time I was in ER it was jammed full of patients that weren't there for sniffles.

So that must mean it never happens, at $600CDN a pop, before seeing a physician.

So what does 'medicare' need protection from, cranky?

 

[cranky]

The only fix for the medical system is up to the people. Until more people start adopting a healthier life style, the system is going to be plagued with expensive heart surgery, cancer, stokes, diabetes etc. Abuse of the E.R. also costs a fortune.

I agree. Most of those conditions are chronic conditions. Doctors and hospitals can't fix them as easily as they can put a plaster cast on a broken arm. For most of those conditions, how the patient manages their health at home has a greater affect on their condition. If you are interested in reading more about this, check out the Stanford Chronic disease self management program. This program has gone worldwide. In the UK, they call it "the expert patient program"......a pretty good description of what it is all about.

 

[JLM]

Protecting it from what?

Before I leave for the morning walk I'm going to butt in and say stupidity. :lol:

 

[CDNBear]

Before I leave for the morning walk I'm going to butt in and say stupidity. :lol:

And that would encompass what?

 

[Cannuck]

I think that you misunderestimate (I love that word) the voters. From what I know (based on friends and family), the average voter took the sponsorship scandal as the straw that broke the camel's back, the final thing that made them completely disgusted with the Liberal Party. Similar to Mulroney's last term, but with less drastic results. People were fed up.

The fact that this was part of the Martin/Chretien internal battle, which of course was simply the Martin/Trudeau battle continued, was only something that political wonks were interested in.

There was a 6 percent swing in the popular vote that put the Conservative Party in power. I don't think 6 percent = the average voter.