No, I stuff them.
He was also virulently anti-Semitic and a major jerk about it toward the end of his life.
All Hallows' Eve
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Do you have any citations to share with us to support your statement, Dex?
"For example, never sacrifice your son or daughter as a burnt offering. And do not let your people practice fortune-telling or sorcery, or allow them to interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, or cast spells, or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead. Anyone who does these things is an object of horror and disgust to the Lord." (Deuteronomy 18:10-12 NLT)
"Well, these verses are pretty clear on what a Christian should not do. But how many Christians are sacrificing their sons and daughters as a burnt offering on Halloween? How many are calling forth the spirits of the dead? The verse does not say that "trick or treating" disgusts the Lord.
However, what if you have come to the Christian faith from a background in the occult? What if, before you became a Christian, you did practice some of these deeds associated with witchcraft and sorcery? Perhaps refraining from Halloween and its activities is the safest and most appropriate response for you as an individual."
Christians and Halloween - What Does the Bible Say About Halloween?
Should a Christian who abandoned the occult for Christ participate in any occult activities or observances including Halloween?
I'd have thought that would be common knowledge among serious students of Christianity. Any decent biographical reference about Martin Luther should tell you about his anti-Semitism and its influence on later Christian thinking, except maybe the ones put about by Lutherans, they don't like to be reminded of it and tend to respond that he was an ailing old man at the time and no longer thinking clearly. Look up the piece on him in Wikipedia.
Halloween was around long before christians decided to pre empt it for their own purposes.
Besides it is the only time Rocky Horror Picture SHow is on.
"Wikipedia is not considered a credible source. Wikipedia is increasingly used by people in the academic community, from freshman students to professors, as an easily accessible tertiary source for information about anything and everything. However, citation of Wikipedia in research papers may be considered unacceptable, because Wikipedia is not considered a credible or authoritative source. This is especially true considering anyone can edit the information given at any time." Wikipedia:Academic use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Feel free to cite "any decent biographical reference about Martin Luther", Dex.
damn, are you ever a pain in the a$$
Martin Luther Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life Story - Biography.com
does this meet your requirements?
You realize this is an internet discussion forum don't you? Hardly an academic setting.
Oh oh oh..... and
Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies" | Jewish Virtual Library
and the last one I'll post
Martin Luther - Quotes from 'On Jews and their Lies' - Table of Contents
Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies" | Jewish Virtual Library
and the last one I'll post
Martin Luther - Quotes from 'On Jews and their Lies' - Table of Contents
This is not a scholarly academic paper, it's an Internet discussion forum, tertiary sources are all you're likely to find here. The citations at the end of the Wikipedia piece on Luther will give you everything you want to know, they ARE scholarly academic works, and in particular I'd draw your attention to the sources cited in footnotes 8 and 198 to 203. Do your own research if you doubt me and Wikipedia.
Dooderotomy is not the words of god, they are Hebrew law, just like Leviticus. Most of the stuff in them are ignored by Christians except when they want to justify their prejudices and bigotry.
Do you eat pork? Do you beat your wife or slaves?
Is there a particular citation in any of these sources that influenced your statements concerning Martin Luther, Dex?
No,I knew that about him long before I read the Wikipedia entry on him, it was part of the European history I got in school, grade 7 or 8 I think, in the lessons on the Protestant Reformation.
Now, now, Dex. Just because he's being a pain is no reason to humiliate him by pointing out that he apparently doesn't know how to click on a footnote.
Dex, here is an exerpt from Martin Luther's The Jews & Their Lies:
"My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen."
Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies" | Jewish Virtual Library
The content at the beginning of this exerpt is condemning towards Jewish people. The final statement is compassionate. Martin Luther was experiencing a soul struggle here not unlike that of Christ in the garden at Gethsemane:
"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”... He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.” (Matthew 26:39, 42)
At first, Christ inquires about avoiding the cross. In the end, He submits to it. There is an ongoing spiritual struggle of spirit and flesh in the life of every genuine Christian. This comes as no surprise since the incarnate Christ was subject to this same trouble.
Which is mythology invented for didactic and doctrinal purposes, not a historical event. That's not compassion Luther was showing, it's the arrogant condescension of closed-minded certainty.
I don't have a clue what the religious significance is but my family has been contributing to the nonsense of "trick or treating" for at least seventy five years. Halloween candy has never been easier to come by. Unbeknownced to me, my wife picked up a twenty five dollar box of assorted Cadbury's candy bars and stuff and I bought another.while she was out. We had lots of candy but we didn't get more than a dozen kids so we have a pile of candy(about ten or twelve pounds of the stuff) left over. We won't tell the grandkids....:smile:
Hallowe'en: A Festival of Lost Meanings
The large Merriam Webster's dictionary gives the definition of Hallowe'en (spelled Halloween) as "the evening preceding All Saints' Day; the eve of October 31. In many countries Halloween is traditionally devoted to merrymaking, with playful ceremonies and charms to discover future husbands and wives." Nothing more.
It is not unwarrantable to predict that the time is not far distant when a world of more enlightened intelligence will be able to look back upon the present age, particularly in the Western area of civilization, and label it as the epoch in which the people celebrated a series of religious festivals around the cycle of the year in nearly total ignorance of their true significance. Certainly, whether or not this be the future's judgment on our present state of semantic nescience, it is to be presumed that if the departed souls of the Sages of antiquity are in any wise in position to gaze down the corridors of history from their day to ours, they must register uncomprehending dismay at the sight of our ghastly misconception and utterly travestied motives in our commemoration of the great annual festivals their dramatic genius instituted round the year. They must stand
agape at the sight of our mechanical parade of "holidays" and the completely distorted spirit and elan with which we go through the perfunctory observance of one after the other in total miscomprehension of the original inspiration and signification of each in turn. It must afflict them with consternation to see how in the case of every one of the cardinal festivals a true sense of the meaning to be dramatized by the occasion has been overlaid by some outer, some material or superficial reference that retains or conveys not the remotest relevance to the primal message.
H A L L O W E ' E N
A FESTIVAL OF LOST MEANINGS
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AUTUMN'S MYSTERIOUS REVEL
It is not unwarrantable to predict that the time is not far distant when a world of more enlightened intelligence will be able to look back upon the present age, particularly in the Western area of civilization, and label it as the epoch in which the people celebrated a series of religious festivals around the cycle of the year in nearly total ignorance of their true significance. Certainly, whether or not this be the future's judgment on our present state of semantic nescience, it is to be presumed that if the departed souls of the Sages of antiquity are in any wise in position to gaze down the corridors of history from their day to ours, they must register uncomprehending dismay at the sight of our ghastly misconception and utterly travestied motives in our commemoration of the great annual festivals their dramatic genius instituted round the year. They must stand
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That happens because the primal message was stupid nonsense that people took seriously for a while.