Alberta Income Inequality Is Worse Than In The U.S.

petros

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Sounds familiar except for the ramen noodles. It was cabbage rolls and perogies for us. They are cheaper than noodles and far far tastier and every bit as welcome on the table today. Popcorn, home made wine and VHS tapes from the library was our Friday Saturday night entertainment.

23 years old with a wife and newborn mean't every penny went to a mortgage instead of wasted on rent, sitter when Mrs was in classes or working pt time, diapers, formula, insurance, and if lucky a pouch of Drum, and Zig Zags to hand roll smokes.

Our townhouse was our only form of savings and prices kept climbing. We bailed out of Coquitlam moved to greener pastures and prairie prosperity. We had enough equity and bought our house outright after 4 years of sacrifice.

Then it was easy to save and invest to start a business while still working term contracts and eventually bidding on and getting contracts and the big bucks.

6 years ago sold 80% of the business and bought farmland after inheriting the homestead and 3 sections for a total of 7.

I didn't have much of a footloose and fancy free 20's but 20 years later life is wonderful and I have oodles of time to piss you people off.

Bite me!
 

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Sounds familiar except for the ramen noodles. It was cabbage rolls and perogies for us. They are cheaper than noodles and far far tastier and every bit as welcome on the table today. Popcorn, home made wine and VHS tapes from the library was our Friday Saturday night entertainment.

23 years old with a wife and newborn mean't every penny went to a mortgage instead of wasted on rent, sitter when Mrs was in classes or working pt time, diapers, formula, insurance, and if lucky a pouch of Drum, and Zig Zags to hand roll smokes.

Our townhouse was our only form of savings and prices kept climbing. We bailed out of Coquitlam moved to greener pastures and prairie prosperity. We had enough equity and bought our house outright after 4 years of sacrifice.

Then it was easy to save and invest to start a business while still working term contracts and eventually bidding on and getting contracts and the big bucks.

6 years ago sold 80% of the business and bought farmland after inheriting the homestead and 3 sections for a total of 7.

I didn't have much of a footloose and fancy free 20's but 20 years later life is wonderful and I have oodles of time to piss you people off.

Bite me!
I'm not sure the disgust for the wealthy has anything to do with the stories being presented. And further more, I don't believe most people here begrudge anyone for working hard and making good as a result. There are a lot of rich folk, who are not getting richer because of hard work, they are getting richer on the backs of everyone else. Enough money to influence how things go down. Look at all those bankers, taking risks with their clients money, getting big bonuses, smart enough not to invest in their own institutions they were paid to look after, so they still had their money when things went south. Stock markets, pay attention to the reason for fluctuations, its a joke. It's manipulation by concentrated stock holders. The very rich, for the most part, didn't get that way through hard work. They got it and kept it through policy interference. Don't think so, Bill Clinton repealed the volker rule (put in place to prevent the repeat of the 29 crash - separating investment banking from savings banks), why, you think he was just sitting around one day and thought, gee, I guess depositors don't need protection from bad investments they won't even know are being made with money, I think I'll repeal the law that protects them. Yeah sure. Stock markets, selling short, hey that's ok too. The list goes on. In the end we all paid for it, and a lot of wealthy people got richer. Hard work indeed.

But forget that. This country is obsessed with what the other guy is getting, whether it's a raise, a pension, a subway project, a tax credit, a subsidy, you name it. If I ain't getting it, I'll be fu*ked if anyone else should. And this business of if I can do it, then anybody else can, otherwise it's their own fault, is absolute nonsense. Lets face it, it's a good job everyone does't work as "hard", imagine if everyone invested in property and became a landlord, who would rent? And where would that leave all the landlords? Stop putting your nose down at people who put food on your table and money in your pocket. Stop worrying about what the other guy gets. I don't care if they pay a public servant a good wage, but I do care if my govt hires a ps to do something useless. I don't mind paying taxes, I do mind paying needless taxes. I don't care what hockey players get, why should I give a ratsass what anyone else gets. I do care if they fuc*up and still get the bonuses - it furthers even poorer performance. But if you are so consumed about what the other guy is getting, well, smoke some drugs, it'll help.

Being Canadian should be about giving a shat about other Canadians, not about caring whether they got something you didn't.
 

taxslave

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Glad I don't work for that twit.

No worries you are not the employable kind for small businesses.
While that story is probably a hoax it is not far from the truth. There is more to it. Not only is there an onerous tax load on small business there is an incredible amount of paperwork demanded by all levels of government and their various agencies. Four of us working requires an almost full time office person just to keep track of the paper. That would do until about 10 workers then more office help was needed. Over 8 employees I was lucky if I could sit on a machine long enough to cover my wage. The rest of the time was non revenue generating work. There is no return on office staff. I found i was taking all the risk for not that much money and basically being a payroll department for a bunch of people, most of whom could care less. Now I work on big union construction jobs and do the occasional labour contract. Under no circumstances will I ever buy equipment and hire staff again.
 

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The following letter is likely a hoax from 2008 though it has been tagged to Mike Crowley of Crowley, Crisp & Associates (14 employees out of business now) though he officially denies it but in 2012 the CEO of Westgate Resort did send an admitted modified copy of this letter to his employees and I also keep a copy tucked away for modifying purposes in the event of a Green Party NDP government which would I wouldn't bother to fight and would just get out of business. Overall though, the letter certainly sums up the feelings of the small business man in Canada and the US today.

To All My Valued Employees,

There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country.

Of course, as your employer, I am forbidden to tell you whom to vote for - it is against the law to discriminate based on political affiliation, race, creed, religion, etc. Please vote who you think will serve your interests the best.

However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interest.

First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a back story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my big home at last year’s Christmas party. I'm sure all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.

However, what you don't see is the back story.

I started this company 12 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living space was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business — hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the Goodwill store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, ****, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden — the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations... you never realize the back story and the sacrifices I've made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail-out all the people who didn't. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for.

Yes, business ownership has is benefits but the price I've paid is steep and without wounds.

Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.

The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check? Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country.

The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the mud of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

So where am I going with all this?

It's quite simple.

If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem anymore.

Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

While tax cuts to 95% of America sounds great on paper, don't forget the back story: If there is no job, there is no income to tax. A tax cut on zero dollars is zero.

So, when you make decision to vote, ask yourself, who understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job?

Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of saving your job. While the media wants to tell you "It's the economy stupid" I'm telling you it isn't.

If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me in South Caribbean sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

Signed,
Your boss

The dumbest thing I have ever read on the internet.

Hopefully, it truly was a hoax.
 

taxslave

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The dumbest thing I have ever read on the internet.

Hopefully, it truly was a hoax.

Nope. If not exactly a true story it is based in fact. I think you would have to run a small business to truly understand. We are not talking megacorp here, this is mom&pop with a few employees.
 

Walter

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Analfloss and Huffpost won't be happy till we're all working in the rice paddies.
 

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Conservative policies are not really into working class anything,...income,equality,safety,it just is not their thing, a fool would think anything different.
Where i live,we are governed by old thinking people who call themselves Conservatives,they are really not into modern day mentoring,just modern day inducting their members into the "Conservative school of thought",the old school of Conservatives just don't know how to let go of their dysfunctional power,and lack the insight to do so.
this is why the "pie of power"has become what it is,everything and everyone wants to be the 10%,church,justice,government,organized crime,everything and everyone is going for a piece of power.May the best man win!Since introduction to politics, i have a healthy respect for organized crime.
I don't mind people becoming richer and more powerful in their position of the world,this includes my country,this does not irritate me.
What i do mind is the policies which effect me,my country,my community,enviroment and fellow man and with this expectation i would only hope my governement would also find these issues of importance , in simple terms this means governing with fair and progressive process's and regulatory application which are of modern day design,unfortunately this is not the case.
Unfortunately,with regret and sadness the reality is my government doesn't use information for positive change,using information for progressive policies which effect the common Canadian it is just not in the realm of Conservative thinking,all these public boards and book keeping methods have"diminshed to nothing' of significance or relevance for Canadians best interest,regulatory absence is present.
Where i live regulatory application has been diminished with intent and skill,accidents are really not accidents,purposeful or willfull blindness is part of strengthing Conservative policies we call them the "whiskey and water" bunch, the1980's thinking is difficult to let go for my leaders, this has resulted in Canadians been left with outdated,and minimized public interest policies.
When this climate of opportunity within is established we all can become wealthy,there are a few things to keep in mind in doing so with the existing policitcal structure,first,one just has to be a manipulator,have some lobbying partners on your side,some money for party donations,a capacity to ***** your own,little interest in public policies,diminish your independant thinking,be able to fall in line and rise up to the Conservative school of thought,have little interest in your community,think safety regulations are silly,be able to stay on task of one party loyality,dance the "whiskey and water" syndrome, believe in the process of diminishing public policies,appoint your good "like minded" friends to public boards,be good at word play,view the working man as menacing,and ***** your family.
Simple.
The moral of this story is you too can be rich if you want.
Where i live i am always amazed about my demonstration of my governement within the world stage,knowing they cannot even mange at home,I believe they cannot even manage a garage sale,how are they go to manage in another country?, for example people like the Americans should be demanding some regulatory oversight with pipeline and oil activity within their country because where i live,the regulatory process is nil, and the history is littered with dirty deeds,real dirty deeds of different capacities.
I hope the Americans shape many public policies of stregnth for public good,history states people have a right to demonstrate against oil activity and demand better process's of administrative capacity.
where i live people of objection don't always live through the process administered.Death is sometimes the end results for individuals who object,this is of course under the blessing of regulatory oversight and more so people who oversee this oversight.
When i investigated the death of Karman Willis I was surprized or not so surprized at the cordinated design of information application of different Public independent regulatory agencies,finding the common link them became my mission,this is another whole different blog.
You too can be rich.
Does anyone know where the spell correct is on this?
 

mentalfloss

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One of my favourite Monty skits.

So is there any sense of irony for you then when you see something like this and contrast it with some of the ideological values you hold?

I ask this in earnest and as humbly as I can.
 

Walter

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So is there any sense of irony for you then when you see something like this and contrast it with some of the ideological values you hold?

I ask this in earnest and as humbly as I can.
You're not too bright so I won't waste my time.
 

petros

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