Al Gore: Global warming skeptics are this generation's racist

mentalfloss

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How come ocean cooling leads to droughts in Mid West USA and Africa?

 

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Al Gore seems to be rolling in frustration these days. He hasn't been able to cash in his billion dollar investments in Carbon Credit derivatives, and he's been blaming the media, scientists who won't cave to the contrived pseudo science of AGW, and now everyone who has the temerity to nay say on what is nothing but a financial fraud and burying this hysteria ever deeper in back sections of newpapers, or the still reliable public television nature shows.

It's his plan that will impose austerity and impoverishment on the world, and especially the developing the world. That makes Al the Racist, and big Jim Crow political boss. But in honesty i think he's nuts, he's off his rocker.. it seems to me people are paying less and less attention to his ravings.. and that is making him even crazier.
 
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petros

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And the prior 8 storms were how intense? Did they make the news?

AccuWeather.com Expert Tropical Forecaster Dan Kottlowski added, "We do see some changes in the overall pattern across the Atlantic."
Kottlowski continued, "The water temps are not nearly as warm as they were last year, and also the upper air pattern looks slightly different... than last year, so that could have an impact as to where that subtropical high, that big high pressure area that helps guide tropical storms, sets up."
"It may weaken or actually reposition itself a little bit to the northeast as we get later in the season, which would allow more of a storm track closer to Florida and also up the East Coast," Kottlowski concluded.
--The future state of the ongoing La Niña
La Niña is a phenomenon that occurs when the surface waters in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific are colder than normal. La Niña results in low wind shear, especially in the main tropical development area in the Atlantic. Shear refers to strong winds that are high in the atmosphere. Wind shear is a "hurricane killer," in that it can hinder storm development as well as break up existing storms.
 

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But Petros... the climate is changing. The only way we can stop the change is by giving billions away to under developed nations and buying carbon credits.

P.S. The Earth had a fever we were told... does it have a cold now?
 

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But Petros... the climate is changing. The only way we can stop the change is by giving billions away to under developed nations and buying carbon credits.

P.S. The Earth had a fever we were told... does it have a cold now?
For $75 and a pack of smokes, I know a guy who can toss some magic powder into a fire, shake his rattle, stomp his stick a few times and say a few hiyiyis and it'll go away.
 

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No, once you get past peak oil, it means more pollution because you have tap into dirtier and more volatile reserves.

But you must use more energy to get it, which is not economic viable at a certain point. There is the EROEI ratio, energy return on energy invested. Which means it used to take one barrel of oil to get 100, now using one barrel of oil only finds 10 barrels or so. A major drop in 100 years.You must invest more energy to get less now.

Oil used to gush just below the surface in Ontario and Pennsylvania one hundred years ago. Drilling was cheap and fast for anyone. Now oil is harder to find and the EROEI give a poorer return. So we are drilling into areas that are more difficult like the Gulf of Mexico where blowouts are more common. Blowouts in the old days occurred because there was so much oil and it was a cause of joy, not anymore.

Tar sands and shale have a low EROEI, which is why they cause so much environmental damage. Takes a lot to get the stuff. Sweet crude oil is the most fantastic stuff going.

Here's a good discussion.

Understanding Energy Return On Energy Investment (EROEI) | Oil Sands Truth: Shut down the Tar Sands
 

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But you must use more energy to get it, which is not economic viable at a certain point. There is the EROEI ratio, energy return on energy invested. Which means it used to take one barrel of oil to get 100, now using one barrel of oil only finds 10 barrels or so. A major drop in 100 years.You must invest more energy to get less now.

Oil used to gush just below the surface in Ontario and Pennsylvania one hundred years ago. Drilling was cheap and fast for anyone. Now oil is harder to find and the EROEI give a poorer return. So we are drilling into areas that are more difficult like the Gulf of Mexico where blowouts are more common. Blowouts in the old days occurred because there was so much oil and it was a cause of joy, not anymore.

The crux of your argument assumes that the energy used to retrieve the oil in the ground is oil based. If the drilling is fueled by other sources of energy, then yes, it will cost more than current but it will yield you the full quote of oil for what you need the oil for. Certainly the economic cost of drilling increases as oil becomes harder to find. But the high economic cost will also lead to a natural shift by the consumers (over time) away from oil as alternative transporation now too expensive will become more economically viable.

But as long as there is oil somewhere in the ground, and people are willing to pay for it, it can and will be drilled.
 

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The crux of your argument assumes that the energy used to retrieve the oil in the ground is oil based. If the drilling is fueled by other sources of energy, then yes, it will cost more than current but it will yield you the full quote of oil for what you need the oil for. Certainly the economic cost of drilling increases as oil becomes harder to find. But the high economic cost will also lead to a natural shift by the consumers (over time) away from oil as alternative transporation now too expensive will become more economically viable.

But as long as there is oil somewhere in the ground, and people are willing to pay for it, it can and will be drilled.

Peak oil just means the end of cheap oil, no big deal, there's lots of other kinds of energy out there, but it's all far more expensive. Oil has amazing qualities that make it cheap and very effective to us. It is easy and cheap to transport, the tech to get it is old and easy to use-usually, it is easy to devise a process to safely burn it, it packs a punch, one barrel has the energy of man working for about five years. Is uranium this cool? No.

There is nothing out there to replace oil. Consumer demand is fianancial, capital itself does not create physical energy that powers cars. No manufacturer will build cars by the millions if gas is $3-6 a litre because there won't be enough disposable income to pay for the gas. Nor can we buy cars that are 2-5 times more expensive than they are now. Peak oil means we will make less because our standard of living will drop considerably as everything becomes more expensive so we will have less.