Agriculture: “The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race”
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Point made - agriculture made gathering food much easier, therefore requiring less effort and thought - very easy to scope out among certain segments of the population
What they need to do is spend more on cleaning the seeds before grinding it up as flour.
Stability of the mycotoxin deoxynivalenol (DON) during the production of flour-based foods and wheat flake cereal. - PubMed - NCBI
Deoxynivalenol (DON) is a mycotoxin found in cereal grains and cereal-based foods. DON concentrations in finished products are reduced under some processing conditions, but not others. DON concentrations in flour, wheat and selected foods made from them under commercially relevant conditions were compared by GC with electron capture detection. Average concentrations (n = 9/item) in cookies, crackers and pretzels ranged from 61% (cookies) to 111% (pretzels) compared with flour (100% = 0.46 μg g⁻¹). Lesser amounts were found in donuts and bread: their respective DON concentrations were 44% and 30% that of flour. Mass balance estimates for DON (μg g⁻¹ flour equivalents) ranged from 50% (bread = 0.23 μg g⁻¹ flour equivalents) to 120% (donuts), indicating that dilution by recipe ingredients contributed to DON reductions in bread and accounted for all of the apparent reduction in donuts. Mass balance estimates averaged 76% (crackers) to 107% (pretzels) for the other flour products. DON concentrations were higher in cereal flakes (0.55 μg g⁻¹ in the finished product and 0.58 μmg g⁻¹ on a mass balance basis) than in wheat (0.40 μg g⁻¹), suggesting that DON concentrations might increase during processing of wheat cereals under some conditions. In summary, DON concentrations of finished food products were reduced ≥ 50% only in bread and donuts. Reduction in bread resulted from a combination of DON ‘loss’ and dilution by recipe ingredients whereas the reduction in donuts was due entirely to dilution. These results are further evidence of DON stability during the preparation of popular flour or wheat-based products.
Stability of the mycotoxin deoxynivalenol (DON) during the production of flour-based foods and wheat flake cereal. - PubMed - NCBI
Deoxynivalenol (DON) is a mycotoxin found in cereal grains and cereal-based foods. DON concentrations in finished products are reduced under some processing conditions, but not others. DON concentrations in flour, wheat and selected foods made from them under commercially relevant conditions were compared by GC with electron capture detection. Average concentrations (n = 9/item) in cookies, crackers and pretzels ranged from 61% (cookies) to 111% (pretzels) compared with flour (100% = 0.46 μg g⁻¹). Lesser amounts were found in donuts and bread: their respective DON concentrations were 44% and 30% that of flour. Mass balance estimates for DON (μg g⁻¹ flour equivalents) ranged from 50% (bread = 0.23 μg g⁻¹ flour equivalents) to 120% (donuts), indicating that dilution by recipe ingredients contributed to DON reductions in bread and accounted for all of the apparent reduction in donuts. Mass balance estimates averaged 76% (crackers) to 107% (pretzels) for the other flour products. DON concentrations were higher in cereal flakes (0.55 μg g⁻¹ in the finished product and 0.58 μmg g⁻¹ on a mass balance basis) than in wheat (0.40 μg g⁻¹), suggesting that DON concentrations might increase during processing of wheat cereals under some conditions. In summary, DON concentrations of finished food products were reduced ≥ 50% only in bread and donuts. Reduction in bread resulted from a combination of DON ‘loss’ and dilution by recipe ingredients whereas the reduction in donuts was due entirely to dilution. These results are further evidence of DON stability during the preparation of popular flour or wheat-based products.
Oh Cliffy you magnanimous Luddite.
The truth is that we have become more peaceful and the most dangerous times in our species existence was when we lived in prestate societies.
The truth is that we have become more peaceful and the most dangerous times in our species existence was when we lived in prestate societies.
The effects of AGW are still easily avoidable.
And we are ****ing less than we used to do that helps too.
And we are ****ing less than we used to do that helps too.
Correct, mostly by avoiding the propaganda of the ecotard brigade, one can eliminate agw altogether
Prior to agriculture, humans lived happier, healthier, freer and easier lives, claims one of the world’s top scientists and thinkers. In an article published in Discover Magazine nearly 30 years ago, Pulitzer Prize winning anthropologist and evolutionary biologist Jared Diamond calls agriculture “a catastrophe from which we have never recovered.”
Diamond claims the domestication of plants and animals – which began around 10 to 15 thousand years ago – led to the eventual domestication of humans and is ultimately responsible for the “the gross social and sexual inequality, the disease and despotism that curse our existence.”
For approximately 2 million years prior to the advent of agriculture, gatherer-hunters enjoyed excellent health, social and sexual equality, very light workloads, plenty of leisure time and freedom from any form of government.
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I haven't read Jared Diamond's take on this. I generally find his argumenst dubious, but this isn't just his idea. It's common in anthropology and there is evidence to back it up. Historically technological advances like agriculture and industrialization reduced quality of life for most people, while only benefiting the few. The beneficiaries of "civilization" are the people civilization makes powerful: rulers, priests, the military class and property owners.
The industrial revolution was initially worse for the vast majority of people than the social and economic organization directly before it. It is tremendously profitable for the economic elite to cram people into dark smokey factories and work them to death. We have only recently began distributing the benefits of industrialization more evenly to some parts of the world.
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Interesting... You had similar dire predictions when oil was in the low $30s, then into the $40s and so on.
The industry in AB is currently profitable and fattens the bottom line with each $ North that the price goes.
Which part? The happier, the healthier, the freer, or the easier? And how does one quantify those values?
How many pharmaceutical drugs, on average, do most people take? How stressed out are most people today? How many diseases do we have to contend with? What is the average dept of most of the population? How healthy or over weight are the majority of the western population? Is this what quality of life is about?
Quantity does not equate with quality.We live in the land of the walking wounded; mentally, physically and spiritually. We are so far removed from the natural world that we think it is fine to destroy it for our profit.
Quantity does not equate with quality.We live in the land of the walking wounded; mentally, physically and spiritually. We are so far removed from the natural world that we think it is fine to destroy it for our profit.
You want an average of most? That ain't the way it works.
How stressed out were most people in pre-agricultural societies?
How many diseases did pre-agricultural societies have to contend with?
How is that relevant? Pre-agricultural societies didn't have money. How could they have debt?
Ah, now it's "the West," where before it was agricultural societies.
Newsflash, Cliffy. There are agricultural societies all over the globe, not just in the West.
What, weight and fitness level? You been reading too many magazines.
Quantity does not equate with quality.We live in the land of the walking wounded; mentally, physically and spiritually. We are so far removed from the natural world that we think it is fine to destroy it for our profit.
Cliffy, nobody's stopping you from being a hunter-gatherer. Knock your socks off. For that matter, don't wear socks, them being all agricultural and evil and stuff.
Just don't expect anybody else to buy into your ridiculous BS.
Hey Cliffy... when you were rushed into the ER after your medflight did you preach this foolishness to the Docs? Or did you take every pill and injection they pumped into you?
I'd say the latter.
No shaman could have saved your ungrateful azz that day.
I'd say the latter.
No shaman could have saved your ungrateful azz that day.