And here I thought we reached a detente. Cliffy - you assume too much. You assume we humans have the ability to choose correctly - to choose rightly. An open mind is the easiest way to circle the drain of sewage in this life. Don't get flushed Cliffy.
Agnostics and Athiests...is there a more believeable religion in the world?
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What terms were you looking for? Please explain & would be happy to provide.
I was asking for a definition of "sin." Not some stupid-*** poetry about vipers and venom. A definition.
You didn't produce one. I can only conclude that you can't.
Y'all have a nice day now, hear?
Ok. I will lose the poetry. What is sin? I base my definition of sin on the 10 commandments & Jesus' teaching. Sin is hatred, murder, adultery, lying, cheating, jealousy, etc. You know essentially, do onto others as you would have them do onto you. There is also sin against God which includes having no idols etc. By the way, the poetry was Scripture verse. Essentially what God says about us dear humans. Ever wonder why there is so much strife in the world? SIN.
If I wanted examples I would have asked for examples. Instead, please note that I asked for a definition.
Oh, forget it.
I'm not sure if the Ten Commandments covers all aspects of sin. One of the worse examples of sin is hypocrisy, especially the kind where people point out other people's sins.
ok. Sin is defined within the context of the Bible. Beyond that, I do not believe secular cultures/society recognize a definition of sin. So, based on from where the word came, the definition of sin is transgression against God.
transgression: an offense. Going 60 in a 30 zone. Transgression and Sin mean nothing unless you adhere to who created the law. A law cannot be transgressed if it does not exist. Or a person may feel above the law or Deity (in the context of this thread). If you care to eliminate what a God demands or even what village code demands, then it could be argued that cultures/societies have their own rules which are generally expected not to be transgressed. I should think most societies whether theis or atheist would deem murder a transgression of the law/moral law.
Ah. So what you mean by "transgression against God" is really "transgression against God's laws." Considerable difference. I would suggest that if God is as great as Christianity claims, transgression against God is impossible. How could one hurt God?
I don't, so I guess I'm off the hook.
So, back to the point. You claim God loves us, but the bible says that if we break his laws, he will torture us forever. Or even if we don't (original sin).
Yeah, that's some love there.
Say what? WE all need to get a hold of the same Bible. I know not what you read????
You said, "How could one hurt God?" You must not know the God I know. I know God can be offended and hurt according to his Word. Depends on whether or not you believe Scripture is God-Breathed. Does the Bible accurately reflect God? I am not here to demand you believe as I do. But, I am a Christian and my viewpoints are anchored to Scripture.
You are a true believer, which, to me, says you have no faith. The bible says "seek and ye shall find". If what I found is not the truth, then whose fault is that? If I asked with all sincerity and humility and what I was fed was BS, then the words of the bible are empty. You have no idea what my process was or the conclusions that I found. A closed mind is a steal trap. The journey toward the truth is an ongoing process. With luck, you may get it when you are on your death bed.
ha. Grow your own dope. Plant a politician. Ha. That's funny.
Take it easy Cliffy. I think an open mind is a good thing. I apologize for my snarkitude. That is my snarky comment about circling the drain of sewage. I ma not sure what "truth" you are referring to so I cannot comment further. Except to ask what you mean by you asked with all sincerity and humility and you were fed BS? What happened?
Wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.
...or do you mean this kind of SIN??
You're a Christian, all right. You can't show that God can be hurt, so you decided "offended" is kinda like "hurt," so you throw that in and pretend it's what I said.
You are as honest as the Christians at the Indian school when I was a kid.
T-bones: I am going to have to have a dictionary and thesaurus at hand when I reply to you. I think I should have asked what you mean by "hurt"? Are you talking physically hurt? I do not believe God the Father can be physically hurt. Jesus can and was physcially hurt (according to mainstream Christianity Jesus is the second person of the Trinity). So, then, I guess I would have to say that yes, Jesus who is God can and was physcially hurt.
What went on at the Christian school when you were a kid?
I asked with all sincerity and humility and I received the answers that I asked for. If you think it is BS then the bible words are empty. Is that clearer?
In my teens I rejected god as I was taught him. I went into the wilderness for 10 years. There I found a different view of religion, spirituality, god/Great Spirit/Goddess. What I found is my truth. Every day that truth grows with each new experience.