Africans are less intelligent than Westerners
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Thing is, it's "likely to survive" who gets to determine genetics ... and the smart one most likely survived....
Wolf
Psychology Themes and Variations by Weiten. You could have simply asked rather than make rude accusations. Most people on here don't bother with citations if they can't see a linked example.
For starters:
Obviously their is a genetic factor to intelligence. A dog can't become as smart as a person "because he tries hard"
Nor can someone with downs syndrome "Just stop being dumb".
that being said, interbreeding is pretty common, so the superior genes would quickly become apparent in all populations once they stop being isolated (and do what humans do).
And if we were going to get into genetics and intelligence..I think pretending northern europeans are some kind of "Smart Gene" would be a little daft without evidence to back it up.
All of Northern Europeans worldly gains came from colonialism..which came from Asian invented gunpowder, South Asian Steel. Middle Eastern Architecture, Mediteranean and North African Boats and American crops.
Add into that thousands of years of mixed breeding between africans, europeans and far asians (through trade and conquest) and it would seem to be too muddled of a soup to make any definitive statements about intelligence or any trait.
we are all interbred to a massive degree, even if you don't know it.
Obviously their is a genetic factor to intelligence. A dog can't become as smart as a person "because he tries hard"
Nor can someone with downs syndrome "Just stop being dumb".
that being said, interbreeding is pretty common, so the superior genes would quickly become apparent in all populations once they stop being isolated (and do what humans do).
And if we were going to get into genetics and intelligence..I think pretending northern europeans are some kind of "Smart Gene" would be a little daft without evidence to back it up.
All of Northern Europeans worldly gains came from colonialism..which came from Asian invented gunpowder, South Asian Steel. Middle Eastern Architecture, Mediteranean and North African Boats and American crops.
Add into that thousands of years of mixed breeding between africans, europeans and far asians (through trade and conquest) and it would seem to be too muddled of a soup to make any definitive statements about intelligence or any trait.
we are all interbred to a massive degree, even if you don't know it.
If lack of melanin indicates intellect preference in our evolutionary process, why are not all humans with the albino genetic trait of super genius intellect?
Can't have it both ways.
Original humans were all heavily endowed with melanin and displayed extremely dark skin..... lighter skin presented as an absence of melanin and was considered a genetic defect regarding the survival of the species in relation to living under a brutal sun.
Evolution and living accommodation for shade and protection is no doubt what allowed mankind to develop lighter shades of dark and eventually what we describe as 'white'....
How this has to do with the development of the brain - is a research path dedicated to lesser effective scientific study, favoring entrenched bias.
Can't have it both ways.
Original humans were all heavily endowed with melanin and displayed extremely dark skin..... lighter skin presented as an absence of melanin and was considered a genetic defect regarding the survival of the species in relation to living under a brutal sun.
Evolution and living accommodation for shade and protection is no doubt what allowed mankind to develop lighter shades of dark and eventually what we describe as 'white'....
How this has to do with the development of the brain - is a research path dedicated to lesser effective scientific study, favoring entrenched bias.
If you look beyond his ignorant racist rantings, and look solely at his assertion that there's no reason to assume humans developed equally, then melanin is merely another example of how geographical separation can bring about variety in the evolution of humans. Who knows... maybe white people would come out more 'educated' but overall less intelligent. It seems sad to me that we can't look into such assertions without the hysteria that surrounds race... even if it was just to finally disprove it.
"Some White people are smarter than most Black people." This has been the basis for just about every racist's argument. While it's probably true what is left unsaid is what makes it a lie. A select few people from any given race are smarter than most people of any given race. They aren't the example of the norm but of the exception. Fortune of birth place and ancestral environment I think play such a large role in the experience of a person that while genetics has a place, I would suggest that it's seriously in the back seat.
Lifestyle/living habits/cultural trait practiced or worshipped is not a valid measure of a person's intelligence as evidenced here in our modern world in the year 2007
The ability of a person to learn and succeed if taught even in adulthood to change into more complex thought and living arrangements, is certainly not measured by the skin tone.
We're talking apples and oranges.
Karrie you write:
There is reason to assume humans developed equally - ask a native of Africa who has lived a bipedal existence and hunted his food or nurtured it from the soil, to get into an automobile and shop for groceries would be like asking a Wall Street stockbroker to hit the road to Zimbabwe and whip up a decent meal and housing arrangement for ten in a week.
The racist factor is assuming what we westernized and 'civilized' humans do is more intelligent than the native Black still locked into pre-mechanized lifestyle. This is not the measure of intelligence at all.... Intelligence is the capability of learning and accomplishment if given the opportunity to be taught for comparison. That the Black has not been offered mechanized assistance does in no way indicate they could not utilize it once shown how. Africa the continent has many many large cities living in the modern world - are the people who live and work there lacking in intelligence? Hardly.
And in comparison - we 'uplifted modern pale-skinned folk' are still declaring war with other nations - with better, more efficient killing machines. How's that for intelligence?
The ability of a person to learn and succeed if taught even in adulthood to change into more complex thought and living arrangements, is certainly not measured by the skin tone.
We're talking apples and oranges.
Karrie you write:
There is reason to assume humans developed equally - ask a native of Africa who has lived a bipedal existence and hunted his food or nurtured it from the soil, to get into an automobile and shop for groceries would be like asking a Wall Street stockbroker to hit the road to Zimbabwe and whip up a decent meal and housing arrangement for ten in a week.
The racist factor is assuming what we westernized and 'civilized' humans do is more intelligent than the native Black still locked into pre-mechanized lifestyle. This is not the measure of intelligence at all.... Intelligence is the capability of learning and accomplishment if given the opportunity to be taught for comparison. That the Black has not been offered mechanized assistance does in no way indicate they could not utilize it once shown how. Africa the continent has many many large cities living in the modern world - are the people who live and work there lacking in intelligence? Hardly.
And in comparison - we 'uplifted modern pale-skinned folk' are still declaring war with other nations - with better, more efficient killing machines. How's that for intelligence?
Measurement of intelligence can be accomplished in many ways
Western lifestyle seems to be dedicated primarily to the concept we should accomplish great feats while doing as little as possible.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570026/Intelligence.html
Western lifestyle seems to be dedicated primarily to the concept we should accomplish great feats while doing as little as possible.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570026/Intelligence.html
Yeah, Tonington and I were discussing what constitutes intelligence, and the many many difficulties in 'measuring' it given variety in diet, cultural exposure, education etc. It's a tricky subject to try to quanitfy across situations.
Yes Karrie - I agree - we prize our value by creating intelligence tests which only we in our western evolved societies view are of a higher civilization when measurements are conducted...
...whereas we are severely limited in our thought if that is how we measure it. It is a measurement of one modality of human species only. Ergo we voice our intellectual gifts based on the same faulty logic as: The Emporer has no clothes.
...whereas we are severely limited in our thought if that is how we measure it. It is a measurement of one modality of human species only. Ergo we voice our intellectual gifts based on the same faulty logic as: The Emporer has no clothes.
Did anyone see the 9/11 anniversary story on CTV? (No not a cospiracy thing - a documented tale of survival) A bunch of lawyers couldn't figure out how to get out because the hall was full of smoke and the elevator wasn't working, so they just chose to remain within their concrete walls and go with the flow.
A bunch of engineers, meanwhile, realized those elevators were powered down and all that smoke in the halls would suffocate them in a break for the stairwell - but they knew if they broke through the next few offices, they could get into the stairwell.
Those engineers were "rescuers" to the lawyers who knew law, and what concrete walls look like. It was a short jaunt to the stairs and they escaped from Tower 2
We only know what we know - and that doesn't respect age, race, religion, tongue or gender.
Wolf
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Lone Wolf - you nailed it!!! Way to go
I need a course in how to abbreviate verbal overabundance!!
I need a course in how to abbreviate verbal overabundance!!