Add an additional faith to your faith

[lone wolf]

Who dissed Moses?

Has anyone said, with absolute certainty, there is no God, no afterlife, no revealed heavenly books, no true prophets? Faith is a personal thing, and humanity is a lot of persons. Perhaps the key that winds you just doesn't fit the rest of the world.

There comes a time when the preached upon begin to question if you are working to convince them ... or yourself.

 

[eanassir]

Moses submitted himself to God (lit. Muslim) and exclusively devoted himself to God alone the exclusive monotheism); Jesus submitted himself to God as did the disciples or his apostles, and Mohammed too submitted himself to God Most Gracious.

So these honorable men submitted themselves to God alone, but you rebel against the Creator who bestowed his bounties on you and on all creatures.

God created man from the semen of his father united with an ovum of his mother; then when this man gets older, he rebelled against his Creator.

As in the Quran 16: 4
خَلَقَ الإِنسَانَ مِن نُّطْفَةٍ فَإِذَا هُوَ خَصِيمٌ مُّبِينٌ

The explanation:
(He created man from scanty [seminal] fluid; yet he becomes a manifest opponent [of his Creator.] )

 

[lone wolf]

Actually ... no. I get on well with my parents. I have no enemies. I don't have any regrets. Against whom do I rebel?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You are in extreme error; you are misguided.

Predictable, and so is this: I'd say that's true of you. What prevents you from adding the Bahá'í faith to yours as you're suggesting others do with Islam? It's very similar to Islam and to a large extent is simply a reworking and modernization of many of its ideas. It shares many of the same core claims, like the succession of prophets you've frequently mentioned, it just adds a couple more after Mohammed, the Bab and Baha'u'llah, with a somewhat different, and much more peaceful and forgiving, message about the spiritual unity of all humanity. How do you know they don't have it right?

 

[Cliffy]

Predictable, and so is this: I'd say that's true of you. What prevents you from adding the Bahá'í faith to yours as you're suggesting others do with Islam? It's very similar to Islam and to a large extent is simply a reworking and modernization of many of its ideas. It shares many of the same core claims, like the succession of prophets you've frequently mentioned, it just adds a couple more after Mohammed, the Bab and Baha'u'llah, with a somewhat different, and much more peaceful and forgiving, message about the spiritual unity of all humanity. How do you know they don't have it right?

He refused to answer that question when I asked it, but I think I'm on his iggy list. Let's see if he will answer you. Personally, I think Boba'looie was a much more righteous man than Mohammed. A Hippie in the same class as JC.

 

[55Mercury]

" A Hippie in the same class as JC."

And weren't the caught passing doobs during recess?

 

[Corduroy]

Stop expecting intellectual integrity from the Muslim evangelist.

 

[eanassir]

Predictable, and so is this: I'd say that's true of you. What prevents you from adding the Bahá'í faith to yours as you're suggesting others do with Islam? It's very similar to Islam and to a large extent is simply a reworking and modernization of many of its ideas. It shares many of the same core claims, like the succession of prophets you've frequently mentioned, it just adds a couple more after Mohammed, the Bab and Baha'u'llah, with a somewhat different, and much more peaceful and forgiving, message about the spiritual unity of all humanity. How do you know they don't have it right?

Dexter, go and become a Bahai together with Cliffy and other admirers of the Bab and Baha'u'llah; because you then will admit the prophet-hood of Mohammed and the authenticity of the Quran; then when all of you become Bahai, I shall then correct your wrong new belief.

 

[Cliffy]

Dexter, go and become a Bahai together with Cliffy and other admirers of the Bab and Baha'u'llah; because you then will admit the prophet-hood of Mohammed and the authenticity of the Quran; then when all of you become Bahai, I shall then correct your wrong new belief.

You sound the same as Alleywayz. My way is the only way and all else will Burn Baby Burn! There is not only one way. There are as many ways as there are humans. For some it may be atheism. Who are you to judge others by your own beliefs. "Judge not lest ye be judged" is something God botherers should learn to take to heart.

 

[Angstrom]

Eanassir do you have any daughters?
I'm looking into buying a 2nd wife

 

[eanassir]

Eanassir do you have any daughters?
I'm looking into buying a 2nd wife

You are very impolite.
May God decrease you fortune and luck.

 

[Angstrom]

You are very impolite.
May God decrease you fortune and luck.

How many cow's do I need to sacrifice to bring my luck back?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Dexter, go and become a Bahai... I shall then correct your wrong new belief.

If that's the only way to find out why you think the Baha'is are wrong, I'd rather not know. I take it that you're still refusing to answer.

You are very impolite.
May God decrease you fortune and luck.

Nice. You'd actually pray for god to do harm to someone? You are not a civilized person.

 

[damngrumpy]

While I have considerable difficulty with the original proposal here there are a few things
that should be clarified. Not the Koran does not regard Jesus as a monkey or a pig. In
fact in the Muslim Faith, Jesus is the number two prophet and as for Mary the mother of
Jesus, they have more space devoted to her that the Bible the Christians carry around, has.
It is alright to be critical but it is also necesary to be factual.
I could not adapt enough to include more than one wife, God help us all, nor could I subscribe
to exchanging vows with 9 year olds or children of any age. Put this in context though, If you
are to be critical of Islam, one must remember that although not sanctioned, the clergy has had
and still does have sexual relations with children. Now before you go jumping up and down,
claiming I am anti Catholic, remember there are other branches of Christianity engaged in all
kinds of disgusting behavior.
This does not mean that all Christians are engaged in bad behavior and it does not prevent
them from practicing their faith. If you are going to include all Muslims in the belief that its OK
to use 9 year old girls, then it must be true that Christ believed in slavery.
The fact is the Holy Books of time are in many cases, nothing more than historical accounts
of what life was like and reflected the social issues and answers of the day.
I don't believe that all those who subscribe to a particular faith all believe the same thing.
No I don't go to church, although I see nothing wrong with churches and people believing in
something. There is nothing wrong with faith, as long as it doesn't get carried away.
I am not big on demons and devils, and long lists of miracles but having faith in and of
itself is not a problem.
Christ said many things, and the one I always pay attention to is
"Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing" That one speaks for itself that is why I avoid
organized religion as a matter of course.

 

[cranky]

strange enough, pchycologists that study happiness have determined that religious people are not happier unless they participate in charity work. Maybe I'll join a local charity and pass on the jihads

 

[damngrumpy]

The trouble with joining an organized faith is that you have to believe what the
group believes and your own identity does suffer a little. If that is not bad enough
the religion falls on hard times and now people are required to defend the faith.
Another term for minimize the seriousness of the sins of the guilty. Me I believe
what I want to believe and leave the drama to others.
All these religions, customs and beliefs, and there is only one God, they all claim.
Does anyone have a problem with that? Of course each group believes they are
the real truth, and they alone can get you to heaven. Kind of makes one feel they
are being sold on ideas from a giant God farmers market.
There is so much in the way of politics, religion, customs and Do's and don'ts, that
there is scarcely time for the faith itself. If I am going to eat angel food cake, I like
it without icing or fillers, and that is how I feel about religion.
Why are the evangelicals and the Muslims and praying Jews praying so hard?
They are praying they don't get caught.

 

[cranky]

I have always thought that the real power of prayer comes from how it is done.......first you give thanksand be grateful, then you wish others well......two well known strategies for being happier.

 

[Angstrom]

Religion is a tool to make yourself a better person but its not real

 

[damngrumpy]

Religion is real for those who make it real and for the rest it is not, I have no problem with that
the only comfort I get from it is knowing that a whole lot of really bad people believe and they
behave a lot better, other wise the would kill innocent people in their beds.
I don't worry too much personally but I don't scoff at other people's beliefs, at least not most of
the time. If someone has faith who am I do demean their support system.

 

[Angstrom]

Religion is real for those who make it real and for the rest it is not, I have no problem with that
the only comfort I get from it is knowing that a whole lot of really bad people believe and they
behave a lot better, other wise the would kill innocent people in their beds.
I don't worry too much personally but I don't scoff at other people's beliefs, at least not most of
the time. If someone has faith who am I do demean their support system.

Yah for those who believe, its real. In there head's.

Its primitive population control. Today we just call that law.

If you want to believe in fairy tales that's fine with me, but don't expect to preach your
primitive 400 year old propaganda in public places without getting laughed at.

You have the freedom to preach as much as I have the freedom to laugh at you.