Abortion

[gerryh]

Re: RE: Abortion

It's all emotion with you, isn't it Gerry? No reason, no science, nobody is allowed to have a different opinion than you. You believe that every sperm is sacred so the rest of us are supposed to believe that too.

Sorry, nobody is forcing you and your wife to have an abortion. Why are you trying to impose your beliefs on others?

What reason and science do you have to support the murder of innocent children? An arbritray line you have drawn to make yourself feel better about your support for the unsupportable? Calling the child a fetus rather than a child to dehumanize them? We call children different things through different stages of their lives....toddlers...tweens....teens..... this does not make them less human. This does not make one stage of life worth less than another, yet by calling a baby a "fetus" this in some way makes it alright with you to murder that child.

I guess it's kind of like the "collateral dammage" phrase the war mongers all like to use. That makes it OK to murder children too.


and every sperm is sacred? Where did you get that from? Hearing voices now?

 

[gerryh]

Re: RE: Abortion

Well your one sick puppy, aren't ya.... so that's the choices eh.... experiment on pregnant women or murder unborn children. I sure as hell hope you don't have any kids.....if you do...I hope you are being supervised with them.

Actually, Gerry, I have 3 children and 2 step-children...all of whom will be taught that their bodies are their own...and you would do well not to make this personal...

Hey, your the sicko that is advocating the torture of pregnant women.

 

[sj007]

hmm i havent add to this yet hmm... *on* i think tht abortion shoud be more controled but not outlawed

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Abortion

Hey, your the sicko that is advocating the torture of pregnant women.

I advocated nothing with that comment, and if you were'nt so dense, you'd have realized that I was, in fact, illustrating just how ridiculous your argument is...

Murder of children, you say...I say it's no more murderous than removing a cancerous tumor, as it too consists of living cells...will you next be protesting mastectomies?

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but once you attack someone for their opposing opinions, then you become no better than a foaming-at-the-mouth religious fundamentalist...

Do yourself a favour, Gerry...up your meds, and keep your dogmatic diatribe to yourself...

 

[gerryh]

Re: RE: Abortion

Hey, your the sicko that is advocating the torture of pregnant women.

I advocated nothing with that comment, and if you were'nt so dense, you'd have realized that I was, in fact, illustrating just how ridiculous your argument is...

Murder of children, you say...I say it's no more murderous than removing a cancerous tumor, as it too consists of living cells...will you next be protesting mastectomies?

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but once you attack someone for their opposing opinions, then you become no better than a foaming-at-the-mouth religious fundamentalist...

Do yourself a favour, Gerry...up your meds, and keep your dogmatic diatribe to yourself...

So..... we're talking about just a collection of cells.... no different than a tumor..... No wonder you have no problem with justifying murder. Since it is just a collection of cells no different than a tumor, then I guess it really doesn't matter how a woman acts while she is pregnant either.... drugs etc is ok with you since it is her body to do with as she wishes. Since it's not human I assume your wife didn't take any special percautions when she was pregnant...didn't change her lifestyle at all...... I mean.... it was just a cancerous growth inside her uterus...right?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Chemotherapy used in abortions

...you seem to have difficulty with the concept of planned and unplanned pregnancy or "wanted" and "unwanted" children, if you will...

Now, is it better that a crack-smoking alcoholic mother of an "unwanted" child be forced to carry it to term? What quality of life would that child have after being forcibly thrust into a world where they were not wanted? Are you going to adopt that crack-addicted FAS baby Gerry? Are you going to adopt them all?

If you don't have the fortitude for your convictions, then maybe you should reassess your position...

...in other words, step up, or shut up!

 

[Reverend Blair]

What reason and science do you have to support the murder of innocent children?

We aren't talking about children, Gerry. We're talking about a fetus. Why this fixation you have on controlling what women do with their bodies?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/abortionalternatives.htm

The alternative to safe, legal and accessible abortion is a totalitarian, theocratic nightmare where a clump of dividing cells and an embryo or foetus with the consciousness of a potato would be accorded far greater legal protection than a woman.

In accordance with Roman Catholic dogma, anti-abortionists want nothing short of reducing women into expendable incubators

 

[gerryh]

Chemotherapy used in abortions

...you seem to have difficulty with the concept of planned and unplanned pregnancy or "wanted" and "unwanted" children, if you will...

Now, is it better that a crack-smoking alcoholic mother of an "unwanted" child be forced to carry it to term? What quality of life would that child have after being forcibly thrust into a world where they were not wanted? Are you going to adopt that crack-addicted FAS baby Gerry? Are you going to adopt them all?

If you don't have the fortitude for your convictions, then maybe you should reassess your position...

...in other words, step up, or shut up!

I have no problem with that idea.... as a matter of fact my wife and I have helped a few drug addicted mothers with thier children and watched them grow up to be beutiful human beings. You on the other hand obviously prefer to take the easy way out and just kill them.

 

[gerryh]

What reason and science do you have to support the murder of innocent children?

We aren't talking about children, Gerry. We're talking about a fetus. Why this fixation you have on controlling what women do with their bodies?

I don't want to "control" what women do. What I want is to see people take responsibility for their actions and not condemn a life because of their stupidity, vanity, or selfishness.

 

[Reverend Blair]

It can just as easily be argued that abortion, by stopping the creation of yet another unwanted child, is stopping the cruelty that would occur to that person before they become a person.

 

[gerryh]

by the way... there is no such thing as an "unplanned" pregnancy...only stupid and selfish people. If you are having sex, then you know that there is the posibility of pregnancy and should conduct yourself accordingly. To do otherwise is selfish at the least... and dare I say, if your option is abortion if you get pregnant....then it is pre-meditated murder.

 

[peapod]

" pre-meditated murder"
kind like a "pre-meditated drama queen... 8O

 

[Vanni Fucci]

by the way... there is no such thing as an "unplanned" pregnancy...only stupid and selfish people. If you are having sex, then you know that there is the posibility of pregnancy...

Well, courtesy of the religious right, who are trying to abolish sex education in the schoold systems, that knowledge is sometimes provided a priori...

...and I suppose you and your lovely wife should be commended on your efforts in nurturing the "unwanteds" of the world into model citizens...perhaps I could gather a list of all crack-babies and FAS babies to be forwarded to your Pro-Life organization of choice...er ummm...preference...

Keep up the good work, and maybe you'll get yourself a ticket into heaven yet... :wink:

 

[gerryh]

by the way... there is no such thing as an "unplanned" pregnancy...only stupid and selfish people. If you are having sex, then you know that there is the posibility of pregnancy...

Well, courtesy of the religious right, who are trying to abolish sex education in the schoold systems, that knowledge is sometimes provided a priori...

...and I suppose you and your lovely wife should be commended on your efforts in nurturing the "unwanteds" of the world into model citizens...perhaps I could gather a list of all crack-babies and FAS babies to be forwarded to your Pro-Life organization of choice...er ummm...preference...

Keep up the good work, and maybe you'll get yourself a ticket into heaven yet... :wink:

What is it with all you **deleted epithet** bringing up religion everytime someone is pro-life?


As for abolition of sex ed...... so what if they do? Have you and the rest of the "abortionists" abdicated your parental rights and responsibilities to the school systems? It's not upto the school systems to teach your kids responsibility... that's YOUR job!

 

[zenfisher]

GH ...Using your logic if you went to a restaurant...and ordered chicken fettucinni(sp)... you should not get upset or angry that you got a couple of eggs on a plate of noodles. An egg is afterall an aborted chicken, by your definition they have served what you asked for. 8O

 

[gerryh]

GH ...Using your logic if you went to a restaurant...and ordered chicken fettucinni(sp)... you should not get upset or angry that you got a couple of eggs on a plate of noodles. An egg is afterall an aborted chicken, by your definition they have served what you asked for. 8O

**deleted personal attack** The eggs you buy, or that are served in restaurants are NOT fertilized. The chickens that lay them have never seen a rooster. Try another analogy and this time try to remember to put your brain into gear first.

 

[zenfisher]

That was not your argument... I believe you were suggesting women abstain from sex...ergo unfertilized eggs.

 

[gerryh]

Re: RE: Abortion

That was not your argument... I believe you were suggesting women abstain from sex...ergo unfertilized eggs.

unfertilized eggs mean no baby..... that's the way it works.... no baby..... no need to kill it when it proves to be an inconvenience to your lifestyle.

 

[zenfisher]

Ahhh...but that unfertilized egg is a potential human being. By your logic ( even though nature destroys it every month) That too is immoral, wrong and just plain murder.