Abortion

[Reverend Blair]

I frankly don't give a damn if Rev bans me tomorrow!

Let's get this straight, Ten Packs...I don't ban people. Even if I did have that power, I've seen you do nothing that would even hint that things may be heading in that direction.

If you guys want to rehash the days of yore and what happened at other sites, might suggest doing it somewhere more appropriate though? There's the whole "on topic" thing to consider. You know I'm not a real stickler for that, but it seems to be a real problem over the last couple weeks.

 

[gerryh]

Need I bring up the attempt at to operate the "Black Hole"???

Bring it up, because I don't know what you are talking about. It looks to me like you are accusing me of something here. Don't beat around the bush, make your accusation clearly, but make sure you have the proof to back up that accusation.


You are the one that hijacked this topic. I have every right to my opinion on this subject, as well as my opinion of those that have the opposing view on this subject.Anything to do with children is very close to me and I will defend that with everything. I call a spade a spade, and as far as I am concerned anyone that councils or supports the murder of children through abortion or war is complicit in those deaths and IS a murderer. A baby killer.

 

[peapod]

Take your jerry springer side show some where else. You are not going to bring your vicious hate and insanity here. I do not believe for a second that andem is going to allow this. He has way to much class.

and ehm....take your cheap "hollywood" dead baby card with you. Go find some helpless women or child to force your beliefs on. And if thats not good enough...hide in the bushes and shoot a doctor in the back. After all its all about Your will.

You and your ingnorant rants only RE-ENFORCE!!! our courage to stand up to you. And so we should...why? because we are FREE and that is the price we have to pay!

You hate the rev because he exposes you!!!! he refutes you with logic and science, as does vanni. That is something neither you and most of time myself are able to do. I on the other hand at least try and provide comic relief..with a dash of sense. You spew hate and try to incite others.

 

[zenfisher]

Re: RE: Abortion

Zen...
By your logic then we shouldn't go to any heroic measures for premies... stroke victims... anyone on life support. They're not capable of surviving on their own either.

Come to think of it, neither is a baby .

Au Contraire...As I have mentioned...it is the act of breathing independently that defines the start of life. When life has been established of course we should do everything in our power to protect it. Providing of course that is what the individual wants. In the case of an child, its guardian(s) should the decision.

A baby,even though helpless breathes on its own.

 

[zenfisher]

Re: RE: Abortion

What a pile of horse pucky........ How about everyone take responsibility for their actions? But it's so much easier to use abortion as birth control and NOT take any responsibility. So much easier to just "clean" the malignant growth out of the system and carry on in your irresponsible way of life. More of the me, me, me, mentality.

You are implying that women who have had an abortion are selfish ? You don't think that this weighs on the minds of women who have had abortions? It is a difficult choice. That is, however, what freedom is about...the ability to choose.

Do you think it is responsible to bring unwanted children into an overcrowded world? You don't find that to be an act of selfishness. How about the condom that breaks ? How about some of the violence that men are capable of commiting against women ? How about children raising children? Should these women be forced to give birth?

 

[LadyC]

A baby,even though helpless breathes on its own.

Not all of them do. My niece didn't breathe on her own for the first several weeks of her life.

Have we been having cake on the wrong day all these years? 8O

 

[zenfisher]

Again...as I mentioned...that was a decision made by her parents, after her birth.

 

[LadyC]

Actually... no it wasn't. The decision was made by the team of doctors present at her birth.

 

[zenfisher]

...At her birth.

 

[LadyC]

At her birth, yes. Your point? She was born at a stage some babies are being aborted.

 

[zenfisher]

So ...she was no longer dependent on the mother for her survival. She was no longer a part of your sister(or inlaw). The doctors made a decision that your niece could survive. I also assume that your sister wanted the baby...again ...her choice.

 

[gerryh]

Re: RE: Abortion

You are implying that women who have had an abortion are selfish ? You don't think that this weighs on the minds of women who have had abortions? It is a difficult choice. That is, however, what freedom is about...the ability to choose.

Do you think it is responsible to bring unwanted children into an overcrowded world? You don't find that to be an act of selfishness. How about the condom that breaks ? How about some of the violence that men are capable of commiting against women ? How about children raising children? Should these women be forced to give birth?

The choice is made before conception. The only form of birth control that is 100% is abstinance. Now I am not saying everyone should abstane from having sex. Far from it. What I am saying is that there are consequences for ones actions and you should be responsible enough to face those consequences. If you don't want to raise a child..... "get fat"(this is an excuse I have heard for not wanting to carry a baby more than once)..... or any number of other reason's then you should NOT be having sex. Very simple really. Action, consequence, responsibility.

Why should a child be held responsible for the irresponsible actions of his/her father and/or mother? And we're not talking about being held responsible with a consequence of being grounded, we're talking about the ultimate consequence of death for someone elses actions. Is this what you consider fair? To protect some womans "rights" we kill baby's?

 

[zenfisher]

So what your saying is... that a woman that is gang raped as she walked through the park and gets pregnant, must bring that baby into the world.Not only that she is responsible for being raped because...what... she was walking through the park? Why should she have to bear the responsibility for that consequence. She didn't plan that, it would be absurd to force her to have a child.

 

[gerryh]

Re: RE: Abortion

So what your saying is... that a woman that is gang raped as she walked through the park and gets pregnant, must bring that baby into the world.Not only that she is responsible for being raped because...what... she was walking through the park? Why should she have to bear the responsibility for that consequence. She didn't plan that, it would be absurd to force her to have a child.

Do you read everything or just have a comprehension problem? I said

Why should a child be held responsible for the irresponsible actions of his/her father and/or mother?

notice the and/or........ why should the baby be killed because of the horrendous act of it's biological father? Is it responsible? Far too many innocents are killed for the acts of others.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Abortion

Is this what you consider fair? To protect some womans "rights" we kill baby's?

What I consider to be fair is to protect everyone's rights that have a legal claim to them. However, insentient masses of rapidly dividing cells do not.

As I've said before, if you're going to argue right to life, we may just as well give legal rights to a cancerous tumor...in fact, from a purely physiological perspective, some similarities between cancer cells and human embryos are remarkable...

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4309

 

[zenfisher]

Re: RE: Abortion

The choice is made before conception.

I notice that you chose to insult me rather than debate the issue. I won't get into a namecalling game with you. I read fine. You however intentionally ignored my point. Why should a woman who is gang raped be forced to bring a child into this world? Why should her world be turned further upside down because of the actions of the rapist? That is where your argument falls apart. Your asking the woman who has just gone through a horrendous ordeal to go through nine months of constant memories. To put her life on hold for the actions of the rapists. You'd be punishing the victim. Would you send a person who gets their house rob to jail too?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

...somehow I think that if it were up to gerry, which I'm glad that it's not, that he would petition to award custody to the rapist father...

 

[gerryh]

As I've said before, if you're going to argue right to life, we may just as well give legal rights to a cancerous tumor...in fact, from a purely physiological perspective, some similarities between cancer cells and human embryos are remarkable...

Like I said, if comparing a developing baby to a cancerous growth is what you need to justify your support of killing those baby's........then that is a very sad commentary on you.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Like I said, if comparing a developing baby to a cancerous growth is what you need to justify your support of killing those baby's........then that is a very sad commentary on you.

I don't need to justify anything, as it will never be my choice to make...however, it is the wonder of science that supports my position...

 

[tibear]

Zen,

Children much earlier than full term can breath on their own. Perhaps you should use another criteria.

Interesting how, when ever someone comes onto the site speaking pro-life(although I don't agree with everything they said), they are immediately branded as religious zelots and bible thumpers. Even though I have yet to see a bible quote.

There is alot of talk about freedom of thought, however, if someone disagrees with the pro-abortion stance on this site, the NDP'ers come flying out of the woodwork to "stomp" all over the pro-life views.

As stated earlier, way more women die from modern abortions then ever died from "back alley abortions" so we're not saving women's lives, in fact we're taking more.

No such thing as "unwanted" children, every child would be adopted if it was put up for adoption when it was born.