Abortion

[tibear]

Twila,

It depends on your perspective on "quality of life". I personally know many families that have down syndrome children. If you've ever met these people, they are probably the most loving and hard working individuals in the world. They have abilities that many people don't give them credit for. Sure they may never be doctors or lawyers but we also need people who simply work hard, do their best and make the world a better place.

I also have very close friends who had a test which showed severe problems with the baby and the doctor recommended an abortion. They refused because, the old cliche, the child was a gift. It turned out there was absolutely nothing wrong with the child. They would have killed a child that had no medical problems.

I guess it all depends upon your perspective of life. I see all life as precious right from conception. Just as I wouldn't kill any of my children because they had an accident and say lost both their legs I would treat the children in the womb with the same love.

Are there terrible diseases that people have to live with, absolutely, but we don't kill people because we find out they have say MS. Disease and hardship are part of life. Quality of life is something that is very difficult to put a value on. Some people couldn't imagine living out an existance in the poorest regions of our world and see it as a life not worth living. However, many of those people are happy and content. Who are we to decide for these children whether they would be happy or not with their quality of life. Most of the time, these babies are aborted not because of the quality of life they would have but rather the parents see all of the hardships they would have to go through to support the child. Rather than standing beside their child they take the easy way out and get rid of the problem.

As a couple, we've had a miscarriage. I can honestly say that we both felt like we lost one of our children. When people ask how many children we have I say three, but in my mind I say four. We mark the expected birth day on the calendar of our unborn child and have a special plant in our home to remember him/her. I still get tears whenever I think of the loss.

As I said before, I guess it all depends upon your feelings towards life and it preciousness.

Thanks for asking.

 

[tibear]

zenfisher,

What difference does it make?? It is the perspective on life that is important.

Would it help you to know that my spouse(opposite sex) feels exactly the same way as I do. The pro-life movement isn't all one gender, it is split male and female.

 

[tibear]

zenfisher,

What difference does it make?? It is the perspective on life that is important.

Would it help you to know that my spouse(opposite sex) feels exactly the same way as I do. The pro-life movement isn't all one gender, it is split male and female.

 

[tibear]

zenfisher,

What difference does it make?? It is the perspective on life that is important.

Would it help you to know that my spouse(opposite sex) feels exactly the same way as I do. The pro-life movement isn't all one gender, it is split male and female.

 

[tibear]

I think a perfect example of the pro-life attitude towards life is the current pope.

I think everyone will agree that he is having many, many medical issues and that everyday life is very difficult for him. However, even though he knows personally the difficulties that life can sometimes have he recognizes the sanctity of life. He doesn't believe in euthanasia because it would be destroying life, even though it would ease his own personal suffering.

Pro-lifers believe that life is to be lived, experienced and cherised. Suffering is part of this life and many positives come as a result of it. The love that people show towards each other, the strength that the suffering show toward others, etc.

It would be easy for him to simply say, the humane thing to do would be to end a persons suffering, but that would diminish the sanctity of life. We has a human race tend to forget about the poor, weak and forgotten members of our society. It would be so much easier if we simply killed all of our weak, it would save us all money and having to look at their suffering. Sometimes life isn't easy but killing doesn't make it any easier it just makes us heartless.

 

[tibear]

I think a perfect example of the pro-life attitude towards life is the current pope.

I think everyone will agree that he is having many, many medical issues and that everyday life is very difficult for him. However, even though he knows personally the difficulties that life can sometimes have he recognizes the sanctity of life. He doesn't believe in euthanasia because it would be destroying life, even though it would ease his own personal suffering.

Pro-lifers believe that life is to be lived, experienced and cherised. Suffering is part of this life and many positives come as a result of it. The love that people show towards each other, the strength that the suffering show toward others, etc.

It would be easy for him to simply say, the humane thing to do would be to end a persons suffering, but that would diminish the sanctity of life. We has a human race tend to forget about the poor, weak and forgotten members of our society. It would be so much easier if we simply killed all of our weak, it would save us all money and having to look at their suffering. Sometimes life isn't easy but killing doesn't make it any easier it just makes us heartless.

 

[tibear]

I think a perfect example of the pro-life attitude towards life is the current pope.

I think everyone will agree that he is having many, many medical issues and that everyday life is very difficult for him. However, even though he knows personally the difficulties that life can sometimes have he recognizes the sanctity of life. He doesn't believe in euthanasia because it would be destroying life, even though it would ease his own personal suffering.

Pro-lifers believe that life is to be lived, experienced and cherised. Suffering is part of this life and many positives come as a result of it. The love that people show towards each other, the strength that the suffering show toward others, etc.

It would be easy for him to simply say, the humane thing to do would be to end a persons suffering, but that would diminish the sanctity of life. We has a human race tend to forget about the poor, weak and forgotten members of our society. It would be so much easier if we simply killed all of our weak, it would save us all money and having to look at their suffering. Sometimes life isn't easy but killing doesn't make it any easier it just makes us heartless.

 

[SirKevin]

Re: RE: Abortion

Pro-lifers believe that life is to be lived, experienced and cherised. Suffering is part of this life and many positives come as a result of it. The love that people show towards each other, the strength that the suffering show toward others, etc.

I just don't think that is the case with a lot of pro lifers today. They are mostly, from what I have seen, "pro-birthers". I don't see any attempt to help babies that were not aborted and instead born into poverty, single parent on welfare situations, abusive families, etc. It's like they stop existing once they pop out of the vagina, at least to most of the extreme "pro-life" right-wing groups.

I do realize that that is a sweeping stereotype on pro lifers, and I know it definitely does not emcompass everyone in that movement. I just find it hypocritical that so much focus is paid on birth when the reality is there are so many more complex problems to be dealt with thereafter, and that are currently not being dealt with.

That wasn't at all meant towards you personally, tibear...it was aimed at the majority of the big, mostly Evangelical happy go lucky Focus on the Family type groups.

And I did quite like your observation on the Pope - I never thought of it that way. great to see him walking the walk on euthanasia

 

[SirKevin]

Re: RE: Abortion

Pro-lifers believe that life is to be lived, experienced and cherised. Suffering is part of this life and many positives come as a result of it. The love that people show towards each other, the strength that the suffering show toward others, etc.

I just don't think that is the case with a lot of pro lifers today. They are mostly, from what I have seen, "pro-birthers". I don't see any attempt to help babies that were not aborted and instead born into poverty, single parent on welfare situations, abusive families, etc. It's like they stop existing once they pop out of the vagina, at least to most of the extreme "pro-life" right-wing groups.

I do realize that that is a sweeping stereotype on pro lifers, and I know it definitely does not emcompass everyone in that movement. I just find it hypocritical that so much focus is paid on birth when the reality is there are so many more complex problems to be dealt with thereafter, and that are currently not being dealt with.

That wasn't at all meant towards you personally, tibear...it was aimed at the majority of the big, mostly Evangelical happy go lucky Focus on the Family type groups.

And I did quite like your observation on the Pope - I never thought of it that way. great to see him walking the walk on euthanasia

 

[SirKevin]

Re: RE: Abortion

Pro-lifers believe that life is to be lived, experienced and cherised. Suffering is part of this life and many positives come as a result of it. The love that people show towards each other, the strength that the suffering show toward others, etc.

I just don't think that is the case with a lot of pro lifers today. They are mostly, from what I have seen, "pro-birthers". I don't see any attempt to help babies that were not aborted and instead born into poverty, single parent on welfare situations, abusive families, etc. It's like they stop existing once they pop out of the vagina, at least to most of the extreme "pro-life" right-wing groups.

I do realize that that is a sweeping stereotype on pro lifers, and I know it definitely does not emcompass everyone in that movement. I just find it hypocritical that so much focus is paid on birth when the reality is there are so many more complex problems to be dealt with thereafter, and that are currently not being dealt with.

That wasn't at all meant towards you personally, tibear...it was aimed at the majority of the big, mostly Evangelical happy go lucky Focus on the Family type groups.

And I did quite like your observation on the Pope - I never thought of it that way. great to see him walking the walk on euthanasia

 

[Twila]

Thanks for answering Tibear.

I loved your answer. I'd heard others who have said differently, so this is why I was curious what you thought on it.

 

[Twila]

Thanks for answering Tibear.

I loved your answer. I'd heard others who have said differently, so this is why I was curious what you thought on it.

 

[Twila]

Thanks for answering Tibear.

I loved your answer. I'd heard others who have said differently, so this is why I was curious what you thought on it.

 

[tibear]

SirKevin,

I think you will find that yes alot of the effort behind the pro-life movement goes towards protecting the unborn. However, if you were to look behind the scenes of these organizations, most of them also run many, many facilities to help the children that you post about.

As stated earlier, most of these people belong to organized religions which run the unwed mothers home for both pre and post natal care.

There are certainly some people within the organizations that are extremists, just as in any organization however, I think you would find these pro-life organizations have the exact same feelings that you and I share. Every child must be taken care of, whether it is inside or outside the womb.

 

[tibear]

SirKevin,

I think you will find that yes alot of the effort behind the pro-life movement goes towards protecting the unborn. However, if you were to look behind the scenes of these organizations, most of them also run many, many facilities to help the children that you post about.

As stated earlier, most of these people belong to organized religions which run the unwed mothers home for both pre and post natal care.

There are certainly some people within the organizations that are extremists, just as in any organization however, I think you would find these pro-life organizations have the exact same feelings that you and I share. Every child must be taken care of, whether it is inside or outside the womb.

 

[tibear]

SirKevin,

I think you will find that yes alot of the effort behind the pro-life movement goes towards protecting the unborn. However, if you were to look behind the scenes of these organizations, most of them also run many, many facilities to help the children that you post about.

As stated earlier, most of these people belong to organized religions which run the unwed mothers home for both pre and post natal care.

There are certainly some people within the organizations that are extremists, just as in any organization however, I think you would find these pro-life organizations have the exact same feelings that you and I share. Every child must be taken care of, whether it is inside or outside the womb.

 

[peapod]

Yes I agree totally. And a person should be presented with all alternatives before they consider the choice of abortion. But that choice must be there for them.

 

[peapod]

Yes I agree totally. And a person should be presented with all alternatives before they consider the choice of abortion. But that choice must be there for them.

 

[peapod]

Yes I agree totally. And a person should be presented with all alternatives before they consider the choice of abortion. But that choice must be there for them.

 

[tibear]

Peapod,

Which part do you agree with?? Is it the part that all life is precious and should be protected from harm?? Is it the fact that children inside the womb should have the same protection as children outside the womb? Is it society has a duty to support these women during their trying times to ensure the child is born into a loving environment?