Abortion -The poll is not based upon Religious belief - It is based ethics

[gerryh]

It's never really about life is it? It's about controlling sexuality. Women don't have any rights to their bodies whether we're talking about abortion or not. That's why a woman having sex out of her free will, and not the prescribed conservative manner, requires derision and punishment. Apparently a woman having consensual sex is a narcissist.

Wow, talk about twisting things to an agenda.


Any woman can have sex when ever and where ever she wants with as many men/women she wants. That is her choice. That being said, when she has made that choice, of her own free will, then if she get's pregnant because of the CHOICE that she made, the RESPONSIBLE thing to do is NOT kill the baby, because at that point she is no longer talking about JUST her body but in fact is affecting the very life of another individual.

Where the narcissism comes in, is when a woman uses the excuse that she doesn't want to carry through with the pregnancy because of what changes will be happening to her body. Stretch marks, weight gain, inconvenience, etc.

When the CHOICE is made to have fun, then he, and she SHOULD be thinking about ALL the possible consequences of their actions. Pregnancy is one, and if they are willing to take that chance, then they should be willing to be responsible and follow through.

After you have "pulled the trigger" it's a little late to go "changees", we aren't talking about a game here anymore.

 

[petros]

Yep. The Maritimes, Quebec, Ontario, BC, Nunavut. Gotta hit the plains provinces sometime. Hear it's the natural habitat of pseudo-scientists.

Naturally.

Wow, talk about twisting things to an agenda.


Any woman can have sex when ever and where ever she wants with as many men/women she wants. That is her choice. That being said, when she has made that choice, of her own free will, then if she get's pregnant because of the CHOICE that she made, the RESPONSIBLE thing to do is NOT kill the baby, because at that point she is no longer talking about JUST her body but in fact is affecting the very life of another individual.

Where the narcissism comes in, is when a woman uses the excuse that she doesn't want to carry through with the pregnancy because of what changes will be happening to her body. Stretch marks, weight gain, inconvenience, etc.

When the CHOICE is made to have fun, then he, and she SHOULD be thinking about ALL the possible consequences of their actions. Pregnancy is one, and if they are willing to take that chance, then they should be willing to be responsible and follow through.

After you have "pulled the trigger" it's a little late to go "changees", we aren't talking about a game here anymore.

That sound like a lack of control.

 

[JLM]

The discussion of when life begins is really getting stupid. Can anyone give me just one example of life that was previously dead? The fact is every time there is an abortion, a baby is getting killed. People can put a different slant on it to suit their own convenience but it doesn't change anything! -

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Wow, talk about twisting things to an agenda.


Any woman can have sex when ever and where ever she wants with as many men/women she wants. That is her choice. That being said, when she has made that choice, of her own free will, then if she get's pregnant because of the CHOICE that she made, the RESPONSIBLE thing to do is NOT kill the baby, because at that point she is no longer talking about JUST her body but in fact is affecting the very life of another individual.

Where the narcissism comes in, is when a woman uses the excuse that she doesn't want to carry through with the pregnancy because of what changes will be happening to her body. Stretch marks, weight gain, inconvenience, etc.

When the CHOICE is made to have fun, then he, and she SHOULD be thinking about ALL the possible consequences of their actions. Pregnancy is one, and if they are willing to take that chance, then they should be willing to be responsible and follow through.

After you have "pulled the trigger" it's a little late to go "changees", we aren't talking about a game here anymore.

I agree with all of that. Just not with making it law.

 

[gerryh]

I agree with all of that. Just not with making it law.

Well, that would be because YOU differentiate between that baby outside the womb and that baby inside the womb. I don't, and there are many that look at it the same way.

If the there is no difference, and it is murder after the baby is born, then it is murder before.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Well, that would be because YOU differentiate between that baby outside the womb and that baby inside the womb. I don't, and there are many that look at it the same way.

If the there is no difference, and it is murder after the baby is born, then it is murder before.

Question. Is it negligent homicide if the woman doesn't follow proper pre-natal care, and has a miscarriage?

 

[gerryh]

Question. Is it negligent homicide if the woman doesn't follow proper pre-natal care, and has a miscarriage?

As far as I'm concerned, yes, it should be.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

As far as I'm concerned, yes, it should be.

OK, to extend it, should every miscarriage be investigated as a homicide? Should every action (taking a smoke or a drink) or failure to act (not getting enough sleep, not taking pre-natal vitamins, not sticking to the diet) of a pregnant woman be prosecuted as child abuse?

 

[gerryh]

OK, to extend it, should every miscarriage be investigated as a homicide? Should every action (taking a smoke or a drink) or failure to act (not getting enough sleep, not taking pre-natal vitamins, not sticking to the diet) of a pregnant woman be prosecuted as child abuse?

Now you're just trolling and being pathetic. Not interested in discussing stupidity.

 

[petros]

Question. Is it negligent homicide if the woman doesn't follow proper pre-natal care, and has a miscarriage?

A real lawyer would know that is a yes.

Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws.* The states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia*and Wisconsin. At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are*indicated below with an asterisk (*).

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Now you're just trolling and being pathetic. Not interested in discussing stupidity.

Not at all. You seem to be pursuing the notion that there should be no difference in the status or treatment of a foetus and that of a baby. That general point established, I'm inquiring into how that will play out in the real world.

A real lawyer would know that is a yes.

A real lawyer knows it ain't as simple as a "scientist" with no doctorate thinks it is. The sort of alleged scientist who doesn't understand the concept of intent in law.

 

[petros]

Right right right.

 

[BornRuff]

A real lawyer would know that is a yes.

Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws.

Do any of those states include improper prenatal care in their fetal homicide laws?

 

[Goober]

Do any of those states include improper prenatal care in their fetal homicide laws?

So BR where should the right to abortion stop.
I am not including health of the mother, genetic defects.
At what point in time does that right end?
Pretty clear question. If I need to add more let me know. Just want to nail down from you when that right ends.

 

[petros]

Do any of those states include improper prenatal care in their fetal homicide laws?

Did you look?

 

[BornRuff]

So BR wehre shoud the right to abortion stop.
I am not including health of the mother, genetic defects.
At what point in time does that right end?
Pretty clear question. If I need to add more let me know. Just want to nail down from you when that right ends.

I think that the current limits around 20-24 months seem reasonable.

What do you think?

Did you look?

I'll take that as a no.

 

[petros]

Did YOU look?

 

[Goober]

I think that the current limits around 20-24 months seem reasonable.

What do you think?

I can agree to that.

 

[BornRuff]

I can agree to that.

I don't support making that a law though. There is no evidence that doctors are disobeying the current medical standards that limit abortion to 20-24 weeks unless there are serious medical issues. I wouldn't want to put any government red tape in the way of letting doctors do what is best for their patient when emergencies do come up.

 

[Spade]

No law is required and a law would place mothers at risk through delay sorting out the legalities.