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A new extensive solar explosion
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The transformation of the sun into an earth with a cold crust --> takes two thousand years. Then the Sun will burst and tear up into many pieces.
It started to acquire a thin cold surface layer, from the time when Venus stopped its axial rotation and circled around the Sun with one face only facing the sun (Just like our Moon with regards to the Earth: it keeps one face towards the Earth, the other face is invisible to us)
The interpreter derived this from the aya 41: 9
قُلْ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَكْفُرُونَ بِالَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَتَجْعَلُونَ لَهُ أَندَادًا ذَلِكَ رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ
The explanation:
( [Mohammed] say [to the idolaters]: “Do you, then, disbelieve in [God] Who created the earth in two days, and do you ascribe to Him opponents? –That is the Lord of [all] the worlds!”)
The interpretation:
(created the earth in two days) means: in two thousand years; for one day of God’s days equals one thousand of our years, according to our days,
as is it mentioned in the Psalms 89: 3-4, A prayer of Moses:
“3… saying, “Return to dust, O sons of men.”
4 For a thousand years in your sight are like a day …”
The ‘creation’ is the transformation from one thing [or form] to another; therefore, (Who created the earth in two days) means: He transformed it into an earth after being a sun, and that lasted a period of two thousand years; this is the time during which the surface of that sun became cold, that sun whose life had ended.
Formation of the earth
It started to acquire a thin cold surface layer, from the time when Venus stopped its axial rotation and circled around the Sun with one face only facing the sun (Just like our Moon with regards to the Earth: it keeps one face towards the Earth, the other face is invisible to us)
The interpreter derived this from the aya 41: 9
قُلْ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَكْفُرُونَ بِالَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَتَجْعَلُونَ لَهُ أَندَادًا ذَلِكَ رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ
The explanation:
( [Mohammed] say [to the idolaters]: “Do you, then, disbelieve in [God] Who created the earth in two days, and do you ascribe to Him opponents? –That is the Lord of [all] the worlds!”)
The interpretation:
(created the earth in two days) means: in two thousand years; for one day of God’s days equals one thousand of our years, according to our days,
as is it mentioned in the Psalms 89: 3-4, A prayer of Moses:
“3… saying, “Return to dust, O sons of men.”
4 For a thousand years in your sight are like a day …”
The ‘creation’ is the transformation from one thing [or form] to another; therefore, (Who created the earth in two days) means: He transformed it into an earth after being a sun, and that lasted a period of two thousand years; this is the time during which the surface of that sun became cold, that sun whose life had ended.
Formation of the earth
I did a year on a ladel furnace (LMF) doing specialty orders 60t at a time at IPSCO now EVRAZ. It's high tech alchemy, how could I resist? I did off gas analysis. It is kinda of like how you can smelll the difference between peanut butter cookie and a chocolate chip in the oven but we'd bake the perfect cookie by adding ingredients while it's cooking.
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For every zig, there's a zag....
For every zig, there's a zag....
It's actually very easy. I don't entirely disregard it, I HAVE read a couple of versions of it in translation and some scholarly commentaries on it, but I see no reason to think it's as important as you think it is, or that it's the last heavenly book, or even that it's a heavenly book at all. I'll grant you that it's the work of one man, Mohammed, based on his visionary experiences over a period of about 20 years, some of which he may have written down himself, though there's some doubt about whether he could read and write, but most of it was recorded by his companions. There was not a unified book of the material when he died in 632, it was scattered among his companions. The first Caliph managed to get some of the material put together into a book, and his successor tried to get more, but it wasn't until the third Caliph that a final collection was made in 653. That's the Quran you have. That Caliph also ordered all other collections to be burned, so the chances are pretty good that a lot of material was lost forever. The book has no real unity and not much structure, there's no narrative of any sort, it's very repetitive, and cites itself a lot. It's also very derivative, it repeats elements of Jewish and Christian scripture and brings in extra-biblical Jewish and Christian myths and legends as if they were part of the canon as well. It also includes elements of Zoroastrianism and some older Arabic mythologies that would have been familiar to Mohammed. So don't tell me I'm ignorant of the Quran, I just understand it differently than you do.
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Many local explosions will be before the general exploding of the Sun
Of course the sun will come to rest, and its activity will be less; but this will only be temporary; because the Sun has started to cool down which will take 2000 of years period after which it will break up into many pieces, which will be attracted by the nearest sun to them --> to form the new planets of the new solar system.
The Universe and the Quran 4
During this 2000 years period, many local explosions like this recent one will take place, but after the end of this time, the thin crust will be completely formed which will prevent the emerging of the gases and smoke and will lead to the general exploding of the sun into 19 pieces.
"the life of the Sun will come to an end, and its surface will become cold, then the gases emerging from it will remain imprisoned inside its core, and there will be no exit for these gases to get out; then when the gases will increase and accumulate in its core, [they will build an increasing pressure] and will press on the cold layer so it will crack and the gases will start to escape, making a great sound, like that of the [old vapor] train, when they open its vapor valve.
That great sound will continue till the influence of the gases emerging from the site near to that crack will lessen, when the sound will be faint. This will be followed by the rushing of the gases – present inside the core of the Sun – towards that exit to get out through it; for they will have found an exit; the exit will enlarge by their rushing out through it.
By this time, they will have caused a sound louder and greater than the initial one, and this sound will go on until the Sun will burst and break up into nineteen pieces.
Obviously, this event will cause a great disharmony in the solar system as a whole; because the Sun is the mother of the planets and it is their attracting object; so that when it will break up, its gravitation will fail to hold the planets, which will slip away and scatter in the space.
When this event will take place, the Earth and the rest of the planets will start to tremble and quake. At that time, a great fear and horror will overwhelm their inhabitants, until the Earth will break up and people die; so they [:their souls] will leave it, and souls will ascend through the space to the place of the congregation of souls, and none will remain upon its surface. As such will the rest of the planets be, and their inhabitants will be like the Earth inhabitants."
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#The_Blowing_in_the_Horn_
Of course the sun will come to rest, and its activity will be less; but this will only be temporary; because the Sun has started to cool down which will take 2000 of years period after which it will break up into many pieces, which will be attracted by the nearest sun to them --> to form the new planets of the new solar system.
The Universe and the Quran 4
During this 2000 years period, many local explosions like this recent one will take place, but after the end of this time, the thin crust will be completely formed which will prevent the emerging of the gases and smoke and will lead to the general exploding of the sun into 19 pieces.
"the life of the Sun will come to an end, and its surface will become cold, then the gases emerging from it will remain imprisoned inside its core, and there will be no exit for these gases to get out; then when the gases will increase and accumulate in its core, [they will build an increasing pressure] and will press on the cold layer so it will crack and the gases will start to escape, making a great sound, like that of the [old vapor] train, when they open its vapor valve.
That great sound will continue till the influence of the gases emerging from the site near to that crack will lessen, when the sound will be faint. This will be followed by the rushing of the gases – present inside the core of the Sun – towards that exit to get out through it; for they will have found an exit; the exit will enlarge by their rushing out through it.
By this time, they will have caused a sound louder and greater than the initial one, and this sound will go on until the Sun will burst and break up into nineteen pieces.
Obviously, this event will cause a great disharmony in the solar system as a whole; because the Sun is the mother of the planets and it is their attracting object; so that when it will break up, its gravitation will fail to hold the planets, which will slip away and scatter in the space.
When this event will take place, the Earth and the rest of the planets will start to tremble and quake. At that time, a great fear and horror will overwhelm their inhabitants, until the Earth will break up and people die; so they [:their souls] will leave it, and souls will ascend through the space to the place of the congregation of souls, and none will remain upon its surface. As such will the rest of the planets be, and their inhabitants will be like the Earth inhabitants."
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#The_Blowing_in_the_Horn_
This is the picture of the bronze drum: when a man holds a stick or a club and hits this metallic drum, a great sound will issue.
When the lava of a volcano cools down --> it will be like the surface of the bronze drum, and like the horn of the sheep
Such horn of the sheep were used by the ancient people to produce a strong sound.
In the Quran, the ayat mentioned were misinterpreted as trumpets, and some Muslims derived their misinformations from Jewish traditions: that the angel will blow in the trumpet on Doomsday.
Angels have no trumpets to blow with them; but it will be the blowing of gases through the crust of the sun that will produce that great sound that will reach to all the inhabitants of the planets.
The interpreter said:
"Some people say that the ‘Horn’, here, is the trumpet into which the angel Israfel will blow on Doomsday, so that a very great and loud sound will come out which people will hear and gather around him!
I say that these words are not correct, and Muslims, actually, narrated them from Jews. There are no trumpets for angels to blow into them; because angels are ethereal; and ethereal creatures cannot blow into trumpets.
Now suppose that we bring the biggest trumpet in the earth, and we put this trumpet at Baghdad [the capital city in the middle of Iraq], and we blow into it; then are the people of Mosul [a big city in the north of Iraq] or Basra [ a big city in the south of Iraq] going to hear it? The answer is: no.
Another example: Let us forget about the trumpet, and consider something greater than it, which is the thunder. Now if the thunder sound comes out at Baghdad, are the people of Mosul and Basra going to hear it? The answer is: no. Then how can the inhabitants of all the planets hear the sound of the trumpet; so that they will be in a great fear and horror, and will be afflicted by this calamity, in spite of that the sound of the trumpet is lower than the sound of the thunder? While God - be celebrated His praise - said in the Quran 27: 78
وَيَوْمَ يُنفَخُ فِي الصُّورِ فَفَزِعَ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَن فِي الْأَرْضِ
The explanation:
(And on the day when the horn will be blown [,the solar system will break up, so that there will be no day or night,] and all who are in the heavens and all who are in the earth will start in fear)"
The blowing through the Horn
The picture of the bronze drum which I put in the previous post is to illustrate the implication of this aya 74: 8-9
فَإِذَا نُقِرَ فِي النَّاقُورِ . فَذَلِكَ يَوْمَئِذٍ يَوْمٌ عَسِيرٌ
The explanation:
(And when the ‘percussion [surface: the Horn’] is percussed.
That shall, then, be [an indication of] a day of distress.)
The النَّاقُور is the horn, and the sound that will come out of it is by the blowing of the gases through it.
The crust that will form on the surface of the sun is thin at the start, and when the pressure of the gases imprisoned inside the sun will percuss on the thin crust, then it will crack and the gases will rush from that exit producing an enormous sound that will strike all the inhabitants of the earth and the planets and they will die altogether.
The blowing through the Horn
The answer to your question is that when such explosion of the sun occur --> a large amount of gases and smoke will issue at great speed and severity --> to reach all the planets including the earth. And together with that smoke the sound will reach the earth and the planets.
The sky will be filled with fire and smoke
Actually he has it more correct than you and always has had. A CME MR sinister means solar mass ejection, do you follow it so far, the quantity is determined by the current load needing to be shunted along to the rest of the balls in our system to maintain the perfect ratio fore all of our balls to remain in stable happy orbits, dynamic equilibrium is maintained thereby, ain't god great. And yes planet size CMEs are regularly spat out of the sun when necessary in the service of that harmony. You only imagine you know anything about ignorance sir and true to the old forms you have a great and frightening lesson in the subject comin to ya before your allowed to lick EAs pointy riding boots Dexter Simpleton.
The volcano lava after cooling will be like the shape of the sheep horn.
The blowing mentioned in the Quran is the blowing of the gases in the crack in the thin crust of the sun, i.e. a volcano will erupt in the sun.
As in the Quran 27: 87
وَيَوْمَ يُنفَخُ فِي الصُّورِ فَفَزِعَ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَن فِي الْأَرْضِ إِلَّا مَن شَاء اللَّهُ وَكُلٌّ أَتَوْهُ دَاخِرِينَ
The explanation:
(And on the day when the horn will be blown [,the solar system will break up, so that there will be no day or night,] and all who are in the heavens and all who are in the earth will start in fear, except such as God will please [to exempt]; and all will come to Him humbled [on that day.] )
[ The interpretation: ]
The ‘horn’ is the cold layer that will form upon the Sun surface, and the blowing will be from its core, and it is the gases, rushing out through the exit or the crack, that will blow in the horn; i.e. the cold crust that will form on the Sun.
- (and all who are in the heavens) means: the gaseous layers which are the dwelling place of ‘genies’ [or demons].
- (and all who are in the earth) The ‘earth’, here, means: all of them.
- إِلَّا مَن شَاء اللَّهُ i.e. (except such as God will please [to exempt])
- (and all will come to Him humbled [on that day.] )
The Universe and the Quran 4
The same thing could be said for the galactic center going seyfert out shining all the stars in the galaxy pretty much eliminatiing night, day and possibly seasons.
A volcano has erupted in the Sun
If we carefully study the video in the first post, it is a huge amount of solar mass that was ejected, compared to the sun disc.
It means: a volcano erupted in the Sun.
The blowing through the Horn
The sound of the "horn" which is because of the gases rushing from the exit in the thin crust of the Sun:
The sound has its initial start, then it will be fainter when the gases escape out of that exit.
Then gases will rush from the middle of Sun to that exit enlarging it then exploding the whole sun.
So the sound of the horn has two components: the first which will come as a great sound then start to be fainter, then the second sound will appear as a great sound.
The blowing through the Horn
One of my friends said that he thinks there will be many such explosions every now and then until the crust of the sun become thicker, and will prevent the gases from getting out, until it will explode.
And about the sound he said: it may be there are other mechanisms for transmitting the sound from the Sun, which will certainly be slower than the light speed.
Sun light reaches us after 9 minutes, while the sound if there is any sound requires longer period of time.
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Well it's starting... Dec 21, 2012.
Sun bursts, stronger weather paterns and storms, tornados, stronger earth quakes like Japan & New Zealand.
Time to kiss your ass goodbye.
Sun bursts, stronger weather paterns and storms, tornados, stronger earth quakes like Japan & New Zealand.
Time to kiss your ass goodbye.
Sounds very reasonable to me EA. Them ethereal layers is were we got to be. It's as easy as being nice all your life and doing good and helping old people and your familiy and friends and there's no way else to that safe place but that way no matter what god you pray to, if a persons god demands those things of you you are on the right path.
The fusion the blast the horne all take place in the corona far above and beyond the core which may as well be stone cold as far as the corona is concerned.
There is nothing reasonable about a volcano erupting inside the sun...there's no rock, no volcano. There's no magma, no volcano.
It's not reasonable to use a word without respecting it's meaning. What point is there to language if you think that's reasonable...
It's not reasonable to use a word without respecting it's meaning. What point is there to language if you think that's reasonable...
Well it's starting... Dec 21, 2012.
Sun bursts, stronger weather paterns and storms, tornados, stronger earth quakes like Japan & New Zealand.
Time to kiss your ass goodbye.
W e are already well into the rift sir and for multiple decades the approach has been heralded by noticable climatic change now entering wider and more intence interest at last. We have gone through the same cycle on this planet for a long long time and were still here. Kiss your ass if you must but if you gauge the right place to stand you'll make the cut. Lots of your ancestors obviously did. You can't be lucky forever though. It's all over 21 2012 and we start the next count, relax get a grip, there's very little you can do but become informed anyway. If your just going to use the event to kiss your own ass because you like to then by all means I don't see a problem. It's all over for the big clock of course which is a very important measuring device not to be confused with a time piece though but compared to a location more accurately, I guess. It's not all over for you though since the recession away from that place will be just as interesting as the approach or worse for reasons unknown and unsuspected by myself sir. Have a nice cataclysmic event sir try to enjoy the displays without getting involved and you may reproduce successfuly the next generations of witnesses of precision indicators complete an important cycle. The planet will not be damaged in any way whatever during any of these devine periodic renovations. The planet is not here for humans, humans are here for the planet, if you really love it stay out of the way while the big lady is selection the new decorations. She really loves to be admired by her critters, if you get squished or toasted you ain't no good to her, wear a hard hat and your safety glasses to bed untill 2047 or untill the ocean has stopped steaming. Good luck
But there's a giant fusion reactor right. EAs religion has a lot of science in it have some respect for your own scientific traditions because in EAs stuff is the reason for you being in science at all weather you know that or not. Why don't you take the 28 day plan for carbon snorters Tonnington why not take up the cannbis habit a nice safe organic substance that will help you get off bull**** cosummer science without messin in your pants.
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The last localized solar explosion was like a volcano
I myself deducted this meaning.
The late interpreter of the Quran and Bible said: At the end of the sun life, a volcano will erupt in the sun, when a cold crust will be formed, and that crust will be thin, and the accumulating gaseous pressure will crack this thin crust, and the imprisoned gases will find an exit and go out with a great force then leading to the general break up of the sun into many pieces.
Now, what I said:
The sun has started to transform into an earth with a cold crust; this process is going on, but will not be there tomorrow or the day after tomorrow; this process will be complete after 2000 years. But anyhow the process is going on (since many decades when Venus started to face the sun with one face only.)
Thin colder portions of the sun float on its surface like the islets which will unite by time to form a complete crust enveloping the whole solar body; and it will relatively be a thin layer.
What has happened in the recent sun local explosion: the solar substance erupted from a certain localized site: and it is like the volcano, but the difference is that the sun is still very very hot and the lava or the erupted substance fell not on a cold earth but on a very very hot surface; although some of the substance is colder than the other solar body.
The sun will burst
Well, for future reference, "like a volcano" is entirely different than saying a "volcano will erupt in the sun." Solar ejecta like coronal mass ejections have very little in common with the ejecta from a volcano. It's about as "like" in kind to a volcano, as it would be if I jetted water held in my mouth.
Completely different phenomenon, in form, function, and composition.