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gerryh

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Hey Bucko- I try to treat people the way I like to be treated. Grow some balls and be a man! :)


Wow, just wow. Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

you looking to get timed out?

cause when I start mouthing off mods, it's with the full knowledge and acceptance that I'm gonna get timed out over it.
 

JLM

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Wow, just wow. Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

you looking to get timed out?

cause when I start mouthing off mods, it's with the full knowledge and acceptance that I'm gonna get timed out over it.


I'm not sure if this particular "mod" has timed anyone out or not, but anyway I'm not particularly worried, I'm a gambling man and it's either one of two ways, I'm in the wrong or he'll be showing some more of his true colours. I wouldn't address a mod this way on the open forum, but he started it. Anyway, Ger, however it works out it won't be the end of the world.:) If I'm gone just try not to be too cheeky in the meantime.
 

JLM

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You gotta learn to pick your battle mon...
or you like to dance maybe?


You're funny Das! I don't generally pick battles, I like to get along with everyone. But when some f**king authority figure (who should have the brains to know better) wants to make a spectacle out of me in front of the whole wide world, yeah I'll take him on. Anyway this is another day, hopefully there's more cheerful things to discuss.
 

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Does anyone know if the Ebola vaccine that has been shipped to Africa has got final approval for general use yet? Or are they going to experiment over there?
 

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Does anyone know if the Ebola vaccine that has been shipped to Africa has got final approval for general use yet? Or are they going to experiment over there?

The Canadian vaccine? First they have to complete safety trials. That's happening right now in the US, well they are enrolling 78 volunteers. After that, they should be shipping vaccine to healthcare workers in West Africa for clinical efficacy trials, probably by early next year.

It's not even an ebola virus in the vaccine. It's a genetically modified vesicular stomatitis virus, that expresses one of the proteins that ebola uses to infect our cells, specifically and on topic to your thread, the Zaire strain of ebola.

I'm not sure about Glaxo's ebola vaccine. I think they were in safety trials this fall as well, and looking to complete some trials before fast-tracking into Africa. The Glaxo ebola vaccine has indications against the Sudan and Zaire strains. Not sure how much cross-protection there is between the different antigens from different strains.
 

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The Canadian vaccine? First they have to complete safety trials. That's happening right now in the US, well they are enrolling 78 volunteers. After that, they should be shipping vaccine to healthcare workers in West Africa for clinical efficacy trials, probably by early next year.

It's not even an ebola virus in the vaccine. It's a genetically modified vesicular stomatitis virus, that expresses one of the proteins that ebola uses to infect our cells, specifically and on topic to your thread, the Zaire strain of ebola.

I'm not sure about Glaxo's ebola vaccine. I think they were in safety trials this fall as well, and looking to complete some trials before fast-tracking into Africa. The Glaxo ebola vaccine has indications against the Sudan and Zaire strains. Not sure how much cross-protection there is between the different antigens from different strains.


Oooh, sounds a little haphazard. Not sure that I'd envy the 78 volunteers, but I suppose it's the only hope to get this ugly monster under control and that can't happen soon enough.
 

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Oooh, sounds a little haphazard. Not sure that I'd envy the 78 volunteers, but I suppose it's the only hope to get this ugly monster under control and that can't happen soon enough.

There's lab workers who would love to be able to get an inoculation for this. I'm sure there's far more than 78 people interested. When you work in the labs with this stuff day-in and day-out, you get vaccinated for what you can, even with the precautions they take.

The process to get a vaccine approved can be really long. It might sound haphazard, but at the stage of development we're talking about now, it's really straightforward. They've already gone through the manufacturing and consistency and quality issues, and now they need to show clinical (that means in humans) safety and efficacy. They already know they have an antigen that produces antibodies. They know it's safe in animal models. They know it protects in animal models. They know what an effective dose is in animals. Now they go into humans in limited numbers, and look at a few dosing regimens, like one dose or one followed by a booster. They look at adverse reactions, like fever and swelling, pain at the injection site, all of those familiar signs and anything less familiar that might pop up. After they determine what the maximum safe dose is, then you are ready for efficacy. For things like ebola, you can't plan on an outbreak. But now there is an active one, so they can get the vaccine into a high risk population, which means they won't need a huge trial with thousands of cases enrolled. Once you prove efficacy, they should have pretty much all they need to get a marketing authorization, and start commercial production of the vaccine. That's a lot further away than the limited clinical trials that will take place in the coming months.
 

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Wow, just wow. Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

you looking to get timed out?

cause when I start mouthing off mods, it's with the full knowledge and acceptance that I'm gonna get timed out over it.


Try to be sure you are right first and then pray.:)