A little more information regarding the Muslim war.......

skookumchuck

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Any suggestion that the west had nothing to do with it is burying your head in the sand and ignoring the coming boot. They were so nice when they were mujahideen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

Sort of like kids: You can't give one something without giving to the others

Arming them had nothing to do with their politics, that is like saying "i am nice but give me a gun and i will shoot you".
 

darkbeaver

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Their politics would have been a clue to the sensible NOT to arm them

Ah the sensible. How many of them are in high office?
 

Mowich

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and it is a Muslim war. Any suggestion of western meddling causing the problems is merely used as ammunition.

The Sunni-Shia split at the heart of regional conflict in the middle east explained | National Post

Isis is a direct result of Western intervention into Iraq. Saddam may have been a brutal tyrant but Iraq was fairly stable under his regime. Once he was gone, the historic animosity between S h i t e and Shia was unleashed resulting in hundreds of revenge killings. As Iraq devolved into civil war, ISIS seized the opportunity to foment further brutalities. The Iraqi military fractured. Sunnis joined with ISIS and S h i t es ran away. ISIS took its first prize in their quest for an Islamic caliphate.

It is also interesting to note that the US had many of the ISIS top soldiers imprisoned at Camp Bucca but let them go. Indeed, ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was once a guest of the US prisons systems in Iraq. A good many of the prisoners were former Iraqi soldiers such as Abu Ayman al-Iraqi also among the top echelon of ISIS.

"Former detainees had said in documented television interviews that Bucca, which was closed down in September 2009, was akin to an “al-Qaeda school,” where senior extremist gave lessons on explosives and suicide attacks to younger prisoners. A former prisoner named Adel Jassem Mohammed said that one of the extremists remained in the prison for two weeks only, but even so was able to recruit 25 out of 34 inmates who were there. Mohammed also said that U.S. military officials did nothing to stop the extremists from mentoring the other detainees."

The mysterious link between the US military prison Camp Bucca and ISIS leaders | Al Akhbar English
 

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All those buffonish Republican candidates calling for US troops to be sent to Mesopotamia should be asked: what is the military objective of a new Mideast war? Military science teaches that the object of war is not to kill the enemy, as so many Washington sofa samurais believe, but to achieve a favorable political settlement.

Does anyone in Washington ruling elite know what this would be? Given fluid warfare in the Mideast against the irregular forces of ISIS and al-Qaida, will US troops there remain on a permanent deployment hunting irregulars, rather like the 19th century Indian Wars in the American West?

Will the US re-garrison Iraq’s Sunni regions? What will happen if Iraqi Shias turn on US forces and oust America’s puppet regime in Baghdad? Is Washington ready to get sucked into Syria’s maddening religious, tribal and regional conflicts? Are Israel and the US planning to partition demolished Syria?

And of course why should American stick its head again in this Mideast hornet’s nest?

To what gain?

The imperialist camp will cry “stability,” that old code word for the Pax Americana. The neocons will howl that murderous ISIS must be stopped, ignoring that the US ally in Egypt, “Field Marshall” al-Sisi, killed more civilians in one day than ISIS did in Paris. No one will admit that most of ISIS’s attacks are revenge for US and French bombing of their towns and villages, nor that their gruesome executions of prisoners are meant to recall Guantanamo’s prisoners.

The American plan in Iraq and Syria is merely to kill as many “bad guys” as possible. Such sterile, juvenile strategy helped lead to America’s humiliating defeats in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. One would wonder what US special forces “trainers” have to teach Iraqis, Afghans and Syrians about war?

Arrogance and ignorance led the US to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Heedless of past mistakes, Washington is again rushing in where wisemen fear to tread.

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