A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

[skookumchuck]

and using your reasoning, that .38 wouldn't have happened if those "legal" gun owners didn't have the guns.

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I believe most people know that substitution of weapon/means would often happen since the majority are crimes of sudden anger. Guess we gotta stop being human altogether to make utopia seekers and busybodies happy.
We can't control abortion, which makes homicide by licensed gun owners pale by comparison.

My opinion, more restrictions. I see no reason what so ever for the average citizen to own a hand gun. Hunting rifles and shotguns, fine (licensed) anything else, no need.

Driving a Corvette or such gives the same rush as punching holes in a target with a handgun. A Corvette has little real world use given it's strictly built for high performance=speed. Best we stick to smart cars, governed of course.

 

[Ron in Regina]

When I was in Tokyo, I saw thousands of bikes parked outside offices. Almost none had locks. Also umbrellas were everywhere and you could take one on the honor system that you would bring it back.

A Buddy of mine spend a fair bit of time in Saudi Arabia, and stated that he
could park his truck, leave the windows down, keys in the ignition, and his
wallet on the dash....and they'd all still be there (most likely) a few days
later.

They still publicly exucute people there though, and lop the hands off of
theives there too, I believe. If you happen to not be one of the 7000 or so
princes in that country (or close friends or business partners in good
standing of the royal family), you don't even risk petty crimes.

I'm not sure what the criminal justice system is like in Japan.

 

[gerryh]

I believe most people know that substitution of weapon/means would often happen since the majority are crimes of sudden anger. Guess we gotta stop being human altogether to make utopia seekers and busybodies happy.
We can't control abortion, which makes homicide by licensed gun owners pale by comparison.

I have no problem what so ever going back to making abortion illegal.

Driving a Corvette or such gives the same rush as punching holes in a target with a handgun. A Corvette has little real world use given it's strictly built for high performance=speed. Best we stick to smart cars, governed of course.

I'm fine with that also. Speed limits are 110kph, no reason a vehicle needs to be able to do 120.

 

[earth_as_one]

A Buddy of mine spend a fair bit of time in Saudi Arabia, and stated that he
could park his truck, leave the windows down, keys in the ignition, and his
wallet on the dash....and they'd all still be there (most likely) a few days
later.

They still publicly exucute people there though, and lop the hands off of
theives there too, I believe. If you happen to not be one of the 7000 or so
princes in that country (or close friends or business partners in good
standing of the royal family), you don't even risk petty crimes.

I'm not sure what the criminal justice system is like in Japan.

My impression is that Japanese people behave because they are raised in a culture that puts the needs of society ahead of the needs of the individual. Over here in North America, the attitude is more "Me first and to hell with everyone else".

Also honor, humiliation and shame tend to keep people from committing crimes.

 

[taxslave]

A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

In part by forbidding almost all forms of firearm ownership, Japan has as few as two gun-related homicides a year.

A Tokyo "gun" shop owner, who mostly sells air rifles, displays one of Japan's relatively few licensed rifles. (Reuters)

I've heard it said that, if you take a walk around Waikiki, it's only a matter of time until someone hands you a flyer of scantily clad women clutching handguns, overlaid with English and maybe Japanese text advertising one of the many local shooting ranges. The city's largest, the Royal Hawaiian Shooting Club, advertises instructors fluent in Japanese, which is also the default language of its website. For years, this peculiar Hawaiian industry has explicitly targeted Japanese tourists, drawing them away from beaches and resorts into shopping malls, to do things that are forbidden in their own country.

Waikiki's Japanese-filled ranges are the sort of quirk you might find in any major tourist town, but they're also an intersection of two societies with wildly different approaches to guns and their role in society. Friday's horrific shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater has been a reminder that America's gun control laws are the loosest in the developed world and its rate of gun-related homicide is the highest. Of the world's 23 "rich" countries, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is almost 20 times that of the other 22. With almost one privately owned firearm per person, America's ownership rate is the highest in the world; tribal-conflict-torn Yemen is ranked second, with a rate about half of America's.

But what about the country at the other end of the spectrum? What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally.





A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - Max Fisher - The Atlantic

But they have no qualms about poisonous gasses in subways.

 

[earth_as_one]

In the same way that Canadians have no qualms about knocking someone out cold with a date rape drug, sawing off their arms and legs, having sex with the wounds, putting the arms and legs in the mail and the head in a swamp.

 

[Kreskin]

The same way Canadians have no qualms about beheadings on coach lines.

 

[taxslave]

In the same way that Canadians have no qualms about knocking someone out cold with a date rape drug, sawing off their arms and legs, having sex with the wounds, putting the arms and legs in the mail and the head in a swamp.

SO you agree that eliminating guns has nothing to do with eliminating murder or protecting citizens but is all about being PC. Good.

 

[Machjo]

Yep, the stats are low.

Now take a close look at sentencing and the big bad boogiesentence, capital punishment.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface of a culture of "Honour". That simply makes American jingoism, and Nationalism look like amateur hour at the Apollo.

So I guess we can conclude that strict firearms control combined with capital punishment for murder where the evidence is overwhelming might be the way to go?

 

[gore0bsessed]

Ok, seems you need clarification regarding the seldom reported penchant of the Yakuza in concert with Japans notoriously corrupt national police force to cause death by other than firearms.

Your agenda of banning firearms and using Japan as an example assumes we should totally (can't leave any out just in case) adopt their customs?
Would that include the near impossibility of becoming a citizen unless you have proven Japanese blood which is the norm there.
IMO that scenario begs the question....... what do you think our firearms crime stats may be, for example, if this country was populated ONLY by the descendents of several thousand generations of ONE race? Would you like to pick the race, do you feel lucky?

If you really think that banning firearms is the solution i feel sorry for you, given your lack of knowledge and insight.

You wish to talk about non sequiturs, but i would say disingenuous and opportunistic fits your post very well.

Disingenuous ."Japan's notoriously corrupt national police force" is absolute nonsense. The Police aren't any more corrupt than we have in Canada or the U.S .. Probably less so.

 

[DaSleeper]

Disingenuous ."Japan's notoriously corrupt national police force" is absolute nonsense. The Police aren't any more corrupt than we have in Canada or the U.S .. Probably less so.

I believe that..........Just because you say so...without back-up...as usual....

 

[gore0bsessed]

It's not relevant what you believe.
We know factual information and what you believe are entirely different things.

 

[DaSleeper]

Your factual information without accounting for the different demographics is like comparing apples and oranges.....worse....pure bullshyte!!

 

[CDNBear]

My impression is that Japanese people behave because they are raised in a culture that puts the needs of society ahead of the needs of the individual. Over here in North America, the attitude is more "Me first and to hell with everyone else".

Also honor, humiliation and shame tend to keep people from committing crimes.

Try reversing that.

I've been to japan, I've worked for Japanese businessmen. They don't put society ahead of the individual. If that were true, their work place health and safety regulations wouldn't be what they are. The labour force wouldn't be from Brazil either.

Their culture puts strength ahead of weakness, and weakness is exploited.

Honour above all else.

So I guess we can conclude that strict firearms control combined with capital punishment for murder where the evidence is overwhelming might be the way to go?

Nope. You still have to have the same cultural mindset.

Good luck with that.

We know factual information and what you believe are entirely different things.

That's a smart invisible friend you have in your pocket.

 

[skookumchuck]

Disingenuous ."Japan's notoriously corrupt national police force" is absolute nonsense. The Police aren't any more corrupt than we have in Canada or the U.S .. Probably less so.

Apparently you did not read the link i posted.

Recent Trends in Organized Crime in Japan: Yakuza vs the Police, & Foreign Crime Gangs ~ Part 2 ???????? ?? ??????????????? :: JapanFocus

The popular status of outlaws logically relates to the integrity of the legal system outside which they operate. Putting it simply, for villains to look bad, the police need to look good. Tamura Eitarō has shown how the chivalrous image enjoyed by nineteenth-century yakuza stemmed in part from public disgust for corruption and violence by the police squads who hunted them.1 A similar problem confronts the NPA today. Since the early 2000s police corruption has been the subject of increasingly numerous academic articles and media reports. Ichikawa Hiro, a lawyer who gave testimony on police corruption in the Diet, says, ‘There is an institutionalized culture of illicit money-making in the NPA, and since it has gone on for so long it is now very deep-rooted’ (Akahata 2004:116). In 2009 a veteran police officer named Senba Toshirō, while still serving on the force, published a lengthy exposé of police corruption: financial scams, fabricated evidence, forced confessions, beatings of suspects, drug abuse by police officers, embezzlement from police slush funds, and much else. Senba’s sensational conclusion: ‘The largest organized crime gang in Japan today is the National Police Agency’ (Senba 2009:73).

 

[CDNBear]

Apparently you did not read the link i posted.

Reading links interferes with his ideology.

 

[gore0bsessed]

Ya, that's the problem with stats, they're sterile and don't take into consideration socio/economic constructs.

We can trade stats and debate the validity of them until the cows come home. As an effort in futility.

Japan has the death penalty, oft severe sentencing (Something the CPC has been railed for attempting), and a completely different culture altogether. That doesn't even touch on the impact that the Yakuza has on an ineffectual law enforcement as Skook pointed out.

I get it, guns bad.

I disagree. You don't.

Japan's crime rate is lower than many if not all first world countries, so where does that equate to an ineffectual law enforcement? Surely the law enforcement has some role in the low crime rates.

Your factual information without accounting for the different demographics is like comparing apples and oranges.....worse....pure bullshyte!!

What's that have to do with Skook's nonsense post of claiming Japan has notoriously corrupt police?

 

[CDNBear]

Japan's crime rate is lower than many if not all first world countries, so where does that equate to an ineffectual law enforcement? Surely the law enforcement has some role in the low crime rates.

Actually, the culture and the stiff sentencing (For the average citizen) would play a larger role, if I was asked for an opinion.

"Ineffectual law enforcement" pertained to the Yakuza, and organized crime. I figured that was understood. That's likely why only you had to ask.

What's that have to do with Skook's nonsense post of claiming Japan has notoriously corrupt police?

It wasn't just a claim, that's what you do.

He posted a link to an article that backed up his point.

Twice.

 

[DaSleeper]

What's that have to do with Skook's nonsense post of claiming Japan has notoriously corrupt police?

What he said below..

It wasn't just a claim, that's what you do.

He posted a link to an article that backed up his point.

Twice.

You've often pointed out that ideologues are very selective in what they read....and purposely ignore and disregard any facts contrary to their ideology......really sucks to be right huh?:lol:

 

[skookumchuck]

Japan's crime rate is lower than many if not all first world countries, so where does that equate to an ineffectual law enforcement? Surely the law enforcement has some role in the low crime rates.


What's that have to do with Skook's nonsense post of claiming Japan has notoriously corrupt police?

I'm thinking that given the utterly different culture of honor and police issues, how much crime is not reported?
Using Japan as an example of what to do about firearms ownership in an entirely different culture is a purely straw man argument. That however is expected of those who simply cannot find a legitimate excuse for depriving a very large number of Canadians of their rights.

If my family was made up largely of native blood (which it in fact is) would you feel confident and comfortable in denying us the right to own and use firearms? Not everyone lives in a city and buys their food prepacked, and it is not just natives that live our lifestyle choice.
I'll tell you what, they are coming for you next and who will protect you?

Nor I. I'm not a fan of guns but I understand that some are. Instead there are just certain types of guns I'd like to be banned. Automatic weapons for one.


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Automatic weapons ARE banned in Canada.