A Harper majority would harm Canada and the world.

lone wolf

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lone wolf, to be honest I don't trust the leaders of the most popular parties. But I listen to what they say and often I see things I don't believe, especially when I listen to Harper. I honestly believe anyone but conservative would be better for our country. I believe in the lessor evil is always the better policy. My first pick would be the Green Party and that is the party I will vote for, but if it was a close race between conservatives and another party I would definitely vote for the other party. I know the suffering the conservative party creates for the citizens of this country, I have experienced it first hand. I also see the suffering their proposed promises will bring to our country too. So in good conscious I can not vote for the conservatives.

For those who feel a liberal government will cost us more in taxes, consider this. Money is not the most important thing in this world. Its much more important to stop the pollution, stop damaging our country and world as much as we can. The future of our world could very well be at stake here. Why is a small portion of your money more important then our future, more important then our planet. There may not be a planet for the next generations if we don't change our ways, whats a few bucks compared to that. Nothing, its peanuts and will not put us into the poor house, not even close.

I live in a riding that is traditionally NDP provincially and Liberal federally. The numbers are always very close and Conservatives seldom get 15% of the vote. Our incumbent Liberal (Ray Bonin) is retiring so the riding is up for grabs. If it came right down to it, I would vote Liberal only to keep Harper out and hope for minority government.

I am one of those people Green Shift will hurt as I am on a pension and have no taxable income. Gas, grocery and utility increases, though, still apply to me.

Though cleaning up this polluted planet is something we have to do for our kids, I don't believe we can ever stop global warming. It is a natural earth cycle. Man may have hastened the process in a miniscule way, but it is inevitable Earth will warm, then carbon will cause another ice age. One thing man just can't seem to figure out is he can't mess with Mother nature.
 
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Socrates the Greek

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I live in a riding that is traditionally NDP provincially and Liberal federally. The numbers are always very close and Conservatives seldom get 15% of the vote. Our incumbent Liberal (Ray Bonin) is retiring so the riding is up for grabs. If it came right down to it, I would vote Liberal only to keep Harper out and hope for minority government.

I am one of those people Green Shift will hurt as I am on a pension and have no taxable income. Gas, grocery and utility increases, though, still apply to me.

Though cleaning up this polluted planet is something we have to do for our kids, I don't believe we can ever stop global warming. It is a natural earth cycle. Man may have hastened the process in a miniscule way, but it is inevitable Earth will warm, then carbon will cause another ice age. One thing man just can't seem to figure out is he can't mess with Mother nature.

"I would vote Liberal only to keep Harper out and hope for minority government".




NO I miss posted that was LW 's comment, and I concurred with him.........:cool:
 
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lone wolf

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I think NDP will have this riding. Dion's policies aren't smelter-friendly. Vale-Inco and Xtrada (Falconbridge) have spent fortunes already. Any huge expense now will send Voicys Bay ores to be smelted in Rio de Janiro.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Well, if you want to pay my share of the extra liberal taxes and cost of goods due to the carbon tax, be my guest.

No bully tactic, just the truth. Look at what he posts...


Hey Risus I know you and I have bonded to some extend, with regards to our political inspirations...One thing Spocq is correct with regards to your demeanor towards argument, you mostly take a bulling attitude, rather then reasoning between arguments....
 

Risus

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Hey Risus I know you and I have bonded to some extend, with regards to our political inspirations...One thing Spocq is correct with regards to your demeanor towards argument, you mostly take a bulling attitude, rather then reasoning between arguments....
LOL, where is the reasoning in your verbal diarrhea??
 

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a harper majority is the only way anything positive will get done.

we've had the liberal dictatorship for what, 15-20 years?

the minority is useless.

at least conservatives have some principles. the liberals are spineless-- their only claim is that they're politically correct. whoot!
 

Socrates the Greek

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a harper majority is the only way anything positive will get done.

we've had the liberal dictatorship for what, 15-20 years?

the minority is useless.

at least conservatives have some principles. the liberals are spineless-- their only claim is that they're politically correct. whoot!


Ye, well principled Cons, you noticed that Harper would not dare use the word TRANSPARENCY, in this election........he used the word TRANSPARENCY in the 2006 election were he mastermind creative accounting, the election over spending to be footed by voters who did not vote for the Cons, very well principled Cons....... Mulroney stuffed his pockets with cash and failed to file income tax to revenue Canada,, very well principled Cons.

You know what the Conservatives are with Harper on the helm? a bunch of manipulative elites thugs...

Make sure you get your dog to vote for the scum bugs...
 
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lone wolf

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a harper majority is the only way anything positive will get done.

we've had the liberal dictatorship for what, 15-20 years?

the minority is useless.

at least conservatives have some principles. the liberals are spineless-- their only claim is that they're politically correct. whoot!

Study up on the Mike Harris Common Sense Revolution because that's what a Harper majority will get you. Why do you think he's focusing on an "I'm-a-nice-guy" imgae....
 

earth_as_one

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My Mom is 88 years old. She has a fixed income. She lives alone in a house with an oil furnace. Due to her age, she keeps the place oppressively hot.

I guess she needs to be punished.

When she goes anywhere, either I drive her (I guess I need to be punished)or she takes a taxi.........(I guess she needs to be punished some more)

She pays very little in income tax now..........so a cut will help very little.....

The increase in the cost of diesel will make everything she buys more expensive.....food included.

Well, I guess she needs to be punished a little more.....

Or perhaps she should just be regulated to a (non-existent) space in a nursing home for the good of the collective......

Deal with realities, please.


Sure lets talk about reality.

The Liberal program would provide financing to help make your mother's home more energy efficient. After she has upgraded here furnance and improved her home's insulation, her fuel bills would be about the same. Meanwhile her personal income tax would go down. If you are driving her around in a Hummer, I guess you will be punished. Otherwise, you would be better off when you pay less income tax. Taxi companies should switch to more fuel efficient vehicles. The green shift would cause that to happen and your cab fare would be about the same.

Considering your mother's situation, I can't understand why you would support the neo-Conservative Party of Canada's survival of the fittest agenda, or should I say survival of the wealthiest. Do you really believe your mother would be better off in the dog eat dog world the neocons would like to impose on Canada?

Have you thought about the implications of modelling our medicare system after the Americans? If you really care about the welfare of your mother you would be worried about how she is going to pay for privatized medicine as per the neocon agenda. Take a look at the cost of medical care in the US. Would your mother be better off if Canada was more like the US?

If you were really concerned about your mother that would make you vote NDP which has a social agenda. Social as in they will increase taxes for the wealthy to reduce poverty and take care of the elderly.

I'm at the peak of my earning years. I own my own IT consulting company. Financially I'd be better off with the Conservatives. The NDP agenda would likely increase my taxes and I'm ok with that as long as the money is well spent. I don't want Canada to become more like the US, where poor are so desperate, they knife people like me for my pocket change and wealthy people live in gated communities and carry handguns. Canada is a kinder, gentler place because of our social welfare progams. I will gladly pay more taxes so your mother gets first class medical care and can upgrade her house. I have a problem with my taxes being used to subsidize wealthy corporations as is being proposed by the neocons in the US.

By the way my mother is on an indexed pension with a great medical benefits plan because she belonged to a strong union - CUPW. Thank you socialist agenda! With the NDP, all the elderly would benefit.
 

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I normally vote NDP, I strongly support NDP principles.

But I cannot justify voting for any on the whackjobs they keep running. Im actually in a riding where they stand a shot at winning (and the guy is nuts) so Im not sure If I can justify a vote for them.

In 90% of the important Issues I could vote conservative, but that other 10% are a big 10% that scare the crap out of me.

This is why Im quite happy with a Conservative minority. The good ideas can pass and the wacko crazytown ideas get voted down by the NDP and Liberals.
 

earth_as_one

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Study up on the Mike Harris Common Sense Revolution because that's what a Harper majority will get you. Why do you think he's focusing on an "I'm-a-nice-guy" imgae....

A friend of mine was a single Mom with two kids living on welfare. She voted for Mike Harris because of his "Common Sense Revolution". He cut her welfare. She couldn't aford to live in her apartment and had to move in with her mother.

Across the street from where I used to live, their son had scheziphrenia. He was delusional but more or less harmless. He needed help, but as a result Harris's common sense revolution, he didn't get it. His parents were stuck with him. He ran away from home, and became a homeless person for a while until he threw a bottle at a cop car. Suddenly he got help. They locked him up where at least he was warm, fed and medicated. After he served his time, they put him back out on the street. His probation officer knows he's crazy, but thanks to Harris's policies which the Liberals still haven't changed, he doesn't qualify for help. I guess he is going to have to throw some more bottles...

I want my tax dollars to help people like this.
 

lone wolf

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Sure lets talk about reality.

The Liberal program would provide financing to help make your mother's home more energy efficient. After she has upgraded here furnance and improved her home's insulation, her fuel bills would be about the same. Meanwhile her personal income tax would go down.

No taxable income = NO TAX. How can it go below zero? There is NOTHING upon which to base a rebate. Meanwhile, all the essentials have gone up in price due to the cost of Green Shift.

If you are driving her around in a Hummer, I guess you will be punished. Otherwise, you would be better off when you pay less income tax. Taxi companies should switch to more fuel efficient vehicles. The green shift would cause that to happen and your cab fare would be about the same.

Is the government going to pay to re-equip the fleet? Added expense WILL be passed on to the consumer.

Considering your mother's situation, I can't understand why you would support the neo-Conservative Party of Canada's survival of the fittest agenda, or should I say survival of the wealthiest. Do you really believe your mother would be better off in the dog eat dog world the neocons would like to impose on Canada?

Have you thought about the implications of modelling our medicare system after the Americans? If you really care about the welfare of your mother you would be worried about how she is going to pay for privatized medicine as per the neocon agenda. Take a look at the cost of medical care in the US. Would your mother be better off if Canada was more like the US?

If you were really concerned about your mother that would make you vote NDP which has a social agenda. Social as in they will increase taxes for the wealthy to reduce poverty and take care of the elderly.

I'm at the peak of my earning years. I own my own IT consulting company. Financially I'd be better off with the Conservatives. The NDP agenda would likely increase my taxes and I'm ok with that as long as the money is well spent. I don't want Canada to become more like the US, where poor are so desperate, they knife people like me for my pocket change and wealthy people live in gated communities and carry handguns. Canada is a kinder, gentler place because of our social welfare progams. I will gladly pay more taxes so your mother gets first class medical care and can upgrade her house. I have a problem with my taxes being used to subsidize wealthy corporations as is being proposed by the neocons in the US.

By the way my mother is on an indexed pension with a great medical benefits plan because she belonged to a strong union - CUPW. Thank you socialist agenda! With the NDP, all the elderly would benefit.

Wolf....
 

earth_as_one

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a harper majority is the only way anything positive will get done.

we've had the liberal dictatorship for what, 15-20 years?

the minority is useless.

at least conservatives have some principles. the liberals are spineless-- their only claim is that they're politically correct. whoot!


"positive things will get done". Thats a manipulated perception like "family values".

What positive things are you talking about? Cutting taxes for the wealthy? Putting medical care out a reach of single mothers and pensioners? Allowing Canada's biggest polluters to keep polluting? What exactly do you mean?
 

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"positive things will get done". Thats a manipulated perception like "family values".

What positive things are you talking about? Cutting taxes for the wealthy? Putting medical care out a reach of single mothers and pensioners? Allowing Canada's biggest polluters to keep polluting? What exactly do you mean?
What lunacy are you talking about? Cutting taxes for the wealthy (like in the Green Shift?)??
putting medical out [of] reach of single mothers and pensioners -- what the **** are you talking about? You need a rabies shot, you're drooling again.
 

Spocq

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I live in a riding that is traditionally NDP provincially and Liberal federally. The numbers are always very close and Conservatives seldom get 15% of the vote. Our incumbent Liberal (Ray Bonin) is retiring so the riding is up for grabs. If it came right down to it, I would vote Liberal only to keep Harper out and hope for minority government.

I am one of those people Green Shift will hurt as I am on a pension and have no taxable income. Gas, grocery and utility increases, though, still apply to me.

Though cleaning up this polluted planet is something we have to do for our kids, I don't believe we can ever stop global warming. It is a natural earth cycle. Man may have hastened the process in a miniscule way, but it is inevitable Earth will warm, then carbon will cause another ice age. One thing man just can't seem to figure out is he can't mess with Mother nature.
I think under any other government then conservative you will get raises in your pension.

The Green Shift might cost us more in the beginning but in the long run it will cost us less. I believe, it will bring other fuels to the market driving the price down on everything or at least keeping them from rising rapidly. The cost of oil is going up and up and will drive the prices for everything up and up. IMHO it will cost us much more if we don't go green.

I have a program that shows me all the earthquakes that happen around the world. There are around 100 earthquakes every week. Could it be that the oil is needed to lubricate the movements of the tectonic plates. Maybe we should not be removing all that oil from the earth. Just a thought. Maybe it helps keep the core of our planet burning.

You state, "Man may have hastened the process in a miniscule way". You might be right but there is no way to know this for sure, we could have hastened it much more then we realize. I see signs that could mean our world is in trouble, the weather for one. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 

Spocq

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What lunacy are you talking about? Cutting taxes for the wealthy (like in the Green Shift?)??
putting medical out [of] reach of single mothers and pensioners -- what the **** are you talking about? You need a rabies shot, you're drooling again.
I see lots of truth in the words from earth_as_one. I see lots of insults in the words from you.

Some facts about conservatives:
- tax cuts to the wealthy business sector
- replace good paying jobs with minimum wage jobs
- cut funding to health care
- cut funding to social programs
- cut funding to education
- cut funding to the arts

I believe all this adds up to suffering for Canadians.
 

TenPenny

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I see lots of truth in the words from earth_as_one. I see lots of insults in the words from you.

Some facts about conservatives:
- tax cuts to the wealthy business sector
- replace good paying jobs with minimum wage jobs
- cut funding to health care
- cut funding to social programs
- cut funding to education
- cut funding to the arts

I believe all this adds up to suffering for Canadians.

Show me where the Conservatives want to replace good paying jobs with minimum wage jobs, for a start.