9.5 million litres of toxic waste spills in Northern Alberta
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I think the picture is self explanatory. Harpo represents exploitation. The warrior: protecting the Earth Mother for 7 generations. You see big city Indians. I see something else.
Another one of you who bought into the "keepers of the earth" crap? I supposed Batman and Santa Claus are real too? I see middle of nowhere propane huffers just as often as those who sell their sisters on my street for crack.
9.5 million litres. No different? lol!
I think you don't really understand what produced water is. Hubby (a completions expert in the oil patch), and my dad (a productions expert), were talking about this spill, and they were mortified. Produced water is not a simple 'oh well, the earth does it too', and 9.5 million litres is a MASSIVE spill, not an oil change.
The damage has yet to be established, so trying to brush it off as nothing is irrational.
Bigoted crap.
There are alcoholics, druggies, and *****s, in every race. They are not ALL alcoholics, druggies, and *****s, just because that's who you see.
The fact that there are natives you don't like, doesn't mean the Dene have no valid complaint, it doesn't mean Apache didn't spill 9.5 million litres of produced water as they've admitted, and it doesn't mean there isn't environmental damage. If a white guy had reported this and bitched about his fields being ruined, I doubt you'd be singing this same tune.
Ha! You get riled up over these half truths but by into the keepers of the earth crap hook, line and sphincter? WTG!
Oh do I now? Or do I simply know the reservations of which you're making such assertions?
I don't think the First Nations are 'keepers of the earth'. But I do know that the Dene in that area are much more isolated than most bands, and still rely heavily on hunting, fishing, and trapping, to survive.
I know exactly what produced water is, and it isn't 'clean' by any stretch of the imagination.... And yes, 9.5 MM litres or 34,000 bbls is a helluva lot of oil.
But this drama about 'the salted and scorched Earth' is way over the top. Just the same way that plants grow in the Hawaiian Islands at the base of the volcanoes where the lava flowed freely, or the lands around the oil sands where the bitumen is at surface but still supports all kinds of life or the thousands of hectares of forest that burn each and every year in Canada.
PS - Multiply the number of cars on the roads in NorAm by the number that leak oil and tranny fluid in addition to the number of people that spread it on the grass, along with the fluids that leak from accidents on a daily basis and you'll probably have a MASSIVE spill as well over a bigger area EACH AND EVERY DAY.
... And yet, here we are, no salted Earth, humanity moving along and the planet hasn't exploded yet.
... With high-powered rifles, snow mobiles, quads, 1/2 ton trucks with 10,000 candle lights on the roof to stun the deer.
I'm guessing that they'll be able to still hunt and trap without too much difficulty
So let's pile more pollution on and ignore it, hey?
No, sorry, Apache needs to be accountable for cleaning up its mess, and preventing it in the future. We can't just shrug this stuff off. It's not necessary. It's not 'inevitable', and it's not something we should just ignore.
No, sorry, Apache needs to be accountable for cleaning up its mess, and preventing it in the future. We can't just shrug this stuff off. It's not necessary. It's not 'inevitable', and it's not something we should just ignore.
Yeah, that's exactly what I said.
But since we're on the topic, maybe we ought to outlaw the use of anything that pollutes - don't forget that burning wood is pretty nasty, so get some sweaters and blankets together 'cause winter is only 5 months away!
You bet they are - just like I said... But what we don't need is over the top theatrics of doom 'n gloom.
It is in the best interests of Apache to prevent these events from happening both financially and politically.
You're under the impression that they don't care... They do, but for very different reasons than you
Yeah. Yet, with all that convenience supplied by oil, we still can't keep all those people fed.
Make more people to need more resources. Kind of a stupid cycle, isn't it?
I agree. Short-sightedness, not being prepared, etc. Leads to a mess.
Ya think so? Well, I guess "short term" is relative. Twenty Years Later, Impacts of the Exxon Valdez Linger by Doug Struck: Yale Environment 360
Yeah, money "fixes" everything, doesn't it? Well, maybe not everything.
Was it? Sorry, but there's loads more to the issue than simply restocking the lake, and planting a few bushes and trees.
Some people are like that.
And ecosystems are quite a bit more complicated than many of us realize. Some aspects are quick to recover. Other aspects take many years.
No apology necessary.
It is a very serious issue regardless if it's 1 or 100,00 bbls; particularly in muskeg country. Those pollutants will flow a long distance (on a PPM basis) at surface due to the permeability of the muskegy lands and no one wins when it happens.
That said, I will agree with Pete on the notion that a clear and objective assessment is needed, fines assessed, penalties imposed and most importantly, clean-up and remediation accomplished... But what will undermine this entire this process is turning this in an opportunity for a witch-hunt
Not my problem.
Part of it.
Yep. That slow steady leak is easier to deal with. Fast leaks like the Gulf spill, the Utikuma Lake, and Zama spills aren't slow and steady. If the planet could handle everything at the same speed the spills occur, then everything would be fine. It can't. Apparently, you can't grasp that. So like I said, I give up; I ran out of ways to explain it and have lost the ambition to try anymore. So we should just keep polluting. It'll all be fine.
Yes. It's both.
Oh, I doubt they'll starve. But you tell me, are processed meats just as good for human health as wild meats? Just as cheap to acquire?
Yes, but the salt is quite alkaline. It ain't table salt.
So means it's ok to pollute everything around them then, right?
In a few decades ....... or it will still be healing when the next spill comes about.
Yeah, the spills are nothing. So why even bother to keep them from happening? Why bother even trying to clean them up after they happen. Everything will go back to normal, eventually.
An example of short-term recover. The clearcut in the pic below took place 30 years ago.
Looks normal, right?
Great, I suppose that we both have that in common
Great... Tell me about the remainder then.
Ya might want to think twice about using the Gulf spill as your benchmark - the vast oil slick that was to envelope the entire South/Gulf coast never came to be... In fact, looks like Gaia really out did herself on self-cleaning that spill.
... And so much more
When and where are among so many moving parts it's barely recognizable in the entire equation.... By in large the reason that I'm getting such a kick out of all the little extra objections that come to pass... It leaked this much... It's worse 'cause it was a Tuesday... People won't be able to play lawn darts... The reception on my radio is poor... The beer in my fridge isn't as cold as it was before the spill.
How many of the Dene folks live off of wild meat?
But if it will it make you feel better, I'll kick in a few extra bucks for gas so the range on their quads is extended the extra distance to get to the game.
Feel better now?
Nah. Like I said, I give up.
Why would I think twice? The effects are still ongoing.
Yes, I know you still don't get the concept.
Dunno, how many don't live off wild meat? We live about 8 kliks from 3 general stores, yet most of the meat we eat is wild. It is simply healthier and tastes loads better.
If that's what eases your conscience, go for it.
Knowledge of the subject matter and analysis of historical events is the only proof that you need
Lots of them rely heavily on wild meat. even the three treaty 8 members I know from Edmonton go home to help fill freezers in the fall.
Lol! Like the 'knowledge' of the Dene Tha from that area?