9/11: Debunking The Myths

[aeon]

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I agree... this whole thread borders on moronic.

But the mere fact that Flight 77 is as they call it "irrellevent" to them.

I have repeatedly posed this question and they dance about. However after my repeated postings and provoking an answer to my question I sort of got a reply....

"Who cares... it didn't hit the Pentagon."
"Who knows... ask your govt."
"Flt. 77 is irrellavent"

Flight 77 was tracked as every plane is and dissapeared on 9/11 in the DC area. It just so happened at the same time of it's dissapearence there was a big crash at the Pentagon complete with wreckage.

But yet you still maintain something other than Flt. 77 hit the Pentagon even though Flt. 77 went off radar in Washington DC?

Flight 77 has probably been shot down, or just landed safely somewhere, i said it in the first place, but it is not what i look into 9-11, i look into facts, you have been talking about flight 77 all along, but it is loose case, until we know what really hit the pentagone.

However you never responded to the fact that the anthrax was an inside job, the fact that building 7 leaseholder, has admitted to have controlled demolition the building, and the fact that operation northwood, was a plan by your governement to generate public support for a war against cuba, using terror, why is that?? why are you trying to only focus on flight 77??

 

[aeon]

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What happened to flight 77, is irrelevent on 9-11, as long as we will never know what crashed into the pentagone, it means nothing at all, simple as that.

But Silverstein "pulling" WTC 7 is directly relevant innit?

It is, cause it is the opposite of the us officials story, which is a sign of a covert up, you just can't deny this fact.

 

[EagleSmack]

So where was it shot down? Was it shot down in the DC area? Did the pilot conveinently fly his plane to a remote location over the Atlantic to have his plane shot down? If it landed safely what do you think happened? Were the people killed? Are they imprisoned? Who's watching them?

Were is the evidence even if it is faux evidence?

I am focusing on Flt. 77 because you chose to ignore it as it doesn't fit your conspiracy.

I did not know you asked me the anthrax question. It wasn't an inside job... it may not have been Arab terrosist but it surely wasn't the US Govt.

Bldg 7 collapsed because of uncontrollable fires and damage by the collapsing towers. I had the opportunity to talk to a NY Firefighter while I was vacationing in Florida. He and his family were staying at the same hotel and we struck up a conversation and ended up golfing the next day. So I asked him...

"This may be a stupid question but there has always been talk of controlled explosions and conspiracies. How did Bldg. 7 collapse?"

"Those people are whack jobs" he said "When I got there both buildings were already gone and Bldg. 7 was up in flames. We were told that Bldg. 7 was a complete loss and we knew it was evacuated. We were trying to rescue people and trying to save the other buildings. You have to have seen the place... fires were all over and we could not even keep up. Bldg. 7 collapsed because of damage from the tower collapse and uncontrollabe fires and that is that."

 

[Jay]

why are you trying to only focus on flight 77??

Gee whiz, why ever would we do that?


Tell us where the plane is and all the people on it!

Surely in that great conspiracy somewhere you have the information, the great cover up.

Why are you dismissing this, along with the families of the dead people on this flight? Why!?

I know why, but I want you to tell me.

 

[EagleSmack]

Good luck on trying to get an answer Jay but be prepared to answer questions as he tries to deflect facts being thrown in his face.

 

[Jay]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/12/victim-capsule-flight77.htm

 

[Jay]

Aeon doesn't give a shit about these people; they are Americans. But he sure cares about those terrorists loosing their little war.

 

[MikeyDB]

These corporate times.


Seems nobody wants to talk about the New World Order we’re all living today!

Little things that don’t make international headlines but affect us all.

Enron and Worldcom corruption, Liberal Party of Canada and the sponsorship scandal, tsunamis and earthquakes all make the news and certainly should. Mother nature’s contortions and infamy aside, there’s little doubt in anyone’s mind that both government and business are seething masses of corruption and disingenuity cloaked in garbs of integrity and honesty.

And many would rightly contend that this is how it’s always been.

And they’d be right.

It’s a case of disclosure and transparency suffering at the hands of corporate and government manipulation of the press. They’ve gotten away with lies damn lies and statistics as substitutes for truth for decades and only those equipped and prepared to dig into the “news” through the internet and searching libraries for a better rounded perspective on history actually have a handle on how twisted and perverse our world has become.

Peons conditioned for generations to accept theft at the gas pump, rip-offs by corporations and ineptitude in government can be relied upon to gulp down the crap emanating from Ottawa and Washington.

Canadians (actually everyone outside the fold of the filthy rich and powerful) are slowly learning that their elected representatives and the system of “democracy” so popularly celebrated through artificial national holidays and corrupt social institutions sold out to graft and greed decades ago.

No one is surprised anymore when “news” of a politicians lies are discovered. No one is flabbergasted by “news” that corporations whining about petty nonsense post multi-billion dollar profits while consigning our planet to a slow and painful death.

Unfortunately the vast majority of people comprising two generations are so inured and conditioned to our present “world-order” that its easier than ever for lying politicians and fat-cat rip-off artists representing mega-corporations to promulgate fiction and half-truths as reality.

There’s many “reasons” why we let these crooks away with this sham but the amazing thing to me is why we seem so apathetic and satisfied to hand our children a world our ignorance and apathy is destroying.

Our children should rightly disbelieve everything we tell them.

The New World Order is a pack of lies served by those willing self-sacrificing somnambulists who’ve surrendered their minds and choose to have someone else do their thinking for them.

Is the New World Order a recipe for prosperity and progress or is it a menu of disaster and catastrophe salivating at the prospect of a new crop of victims?

Because that’s exactly what our children will be.

 

[Toro]

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Looks, more myths to debunk!

 

[MikeyDB]

It’s amusing to read what passes for journalism in America when it comes to bashing Canada for its treatment of the great American bugaboo of “terrorism”!

The June 9 London Free Press headline reads “Myths abound in some U.S. coverage”. It’s a terrible shame that there isn’t an award for understatement, since Bruce Cheadle’s piece would win hands down.

Babies tossed from incubators, “rescue” of private Lynch, and then of course the greatest myth of all, Iraq’s enormous reservoir of Weapons of Mass Destruction!

It’s kind of the Free Press to label American journalistic zeal for readership as myth.

America feeds the world lies and exaggeration as news but OK let’s call it myth in the spirit of neighborliness….


The land of Myths from supplying WMD to Saddam Hussein to providing Iran with missiles under Reagan...

 

[EagleSmack]

What are you suggesting Mike... A Worker's Paradise?

At any rate... this is a 9/11 thread.

 

[MikeyDB]

See that's how myths are perpetuated...

Think only about 9/11 as an isolated phenomenon and not a part of a larger picture.

So long as there are no associations made between the myths of 9/11 and the rest of what's going on in the world the myth has life and reality fades away...

 

[MikeyDB]

Generating lies for the masses.


Go ask the people in New Orleans if they’re happy with the knowledge that the “government” advised of the hurricane coming that destroyed their lives chose to spend billions on killing Iraqi and Afghani children instead of preserving American lives at home.

Talk to me about myths!

 

[EagleSmack]

Was that before or after the CIA blew up the flood walls?

 

[MikeyDB]

Nasty mean Islamic terrorists flew airliners into the WTC right....(Myth number one...they were Saudis welcomed in America not Iraqis or Afghanis}

A Holy Jihad called for by Chaney and the Whitehouse as response....{myth number two....Chaney and the Carlyle group needed a war to increase profits.

These items are all related and if we simply view isolated bits we're missing the big picture...

But hey that's exactly what our governments want!

 

[aeon]

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So where was it shot down? Was it shot down in the DC area? Did the pilot conveinently fly his plane to a remote location over the Atlantic to have his plane shot down? If it landed safely what do you think happened? Were the people killed? Are they imprisoned? Who's watching them?

Were is the evidence even if it is faux evidence?

I am focusing on Flt. 77 because you chose to ignore it as it doesn't fit your conspiracy.

I did not know you asked me the anthrax question. It wasn't an inside job... it may not have been Arab terrosist but it surely wasn't the US Govt.

Bldg 7 collapsed because of uncontrollable fires and damage by the collapsing towers. I had the opportunity to talk to a NY Firefighter while I was vacationing in Florida. He and his family were staying at the same hotel and we struck up a conversation and ended up golfing the next day. So I asked him...

"This may be a stupid question but there has always been talk of controlled explosions and conspiracies. How did Bldg. 7 collapse?"

"Those people are whack jobs" he said "When I got there both buildings were already gone and Bldg. 7 was up in flames. We were told that Bldg. 7 was a complete loss and we knew it was evacuated. We were trying to rescue people and trying to save the other buildings. You have to have seen the place... fires were all over and we could not even keep up. Bldg. 7 collapsed because of damage from the tower collapse and uncontrollabe fires and that is that."

Wrong , wrong, and wrong


Antrax was an inside job

http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/comment/story/0,,648873,00.html

This week's New Scientist reports that the FBI has yet to catch the perpetrators of the anthrax attacks. "Investigators are virtually certain of one thing, though: it was an inside job. The anthrax attacker is an American scientist - and worse, one from within the US's own biodefence establishment... If he wished to scale up US military action against Iraq, he almost succeeded - many in Washington tried hard to see Saddam Hussein's hand in the attacks. If he wished merely to make the US pour billions into biodefence, he did succeed."

Building 7 was controlled demolition, here the leaseholder of the building who admits it.


http://www.infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV


Don't believe that pull means, demolition?? here is the proof.

http://tinyurl.com/c3f9f



Now you can talk about flight 77 as you want, but as long as your governement doesnt show what really hit the pentagone, we can only speculate on it.

The antrax, building 7 and operation northwood http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood are the key of 9-11 event.

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro as part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state sponsored terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the highest ranking member of the U.S. military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.

And the fact that the fbi,sees no hard evidence linking bin laden to 9-11, is a great evidence, that this war on terror is a total joke.

 

[Jay]

Aeon, I see you have a new friend with us.

 

[MikeyDB]

Greetings Aeon!

Nice to see that the spirit of skepticism is alive and well!

Do you think that the plan {embraced by Stephen Harper et al. for militarization of space….(Military Industrial complex of the United States and their “missile defense shield…} came about because of the myths of 9/11 or is it the cultivated sense of anxiety nabobs of the defense industry keep feeding for profit?

 

[aeon]

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Greetings Aeon!

Nice to see that the spirit of skepticism is alive and well!

Do you think that the plan {embraced by Stephen Harper et al. for militarization of space….(Military Industrial complex of the United States and their “missile defense shield…} came about because of the myths of 9/11 or is it the cultivated sense of anxiety nabobs of the defense industry keep feeding for profit?

Hi MikeyDB!! Welcome to this forum.


Don't worry, i don't believe in any governement, even those that i vote for.

I think the ""missile defense system"" however they call it, came from neo-nazi-pnac-republican group, who are mainly the bush administration today, in another word, it came from their new plan, which is the"" New world order"" , which was firstly showed by bush 1 in a speech on 11th september of 1990.

 

[MikeyDB]

Hi Jay!

I can’t say for certain if Aeon’s position is any less credible than the belief that forty percent of Americans held that the nonsense about Iraq’s weapons stockpile was true!

I’m a skeptic too