9/11: Debunking The Myths

[Jay]

I'm a skeptic too, but not in the same sense you are.

 

[MikeyDB]

What sense would that be.....?

 

[Jay]

I have the funniest feeling it will all become clear to you in the near future.

 

[MikeyDB]

Are you familiar with Occams Razor? If we apply this concept to the world situation post 911, which best satisfies the logic, that American imperialism is served by promulgating a "clash of ideologies"? Is it that the U.S. was an unwitting victim to a renegade faction of fundamentalis Islamists or is it that the NWO championed by American industrialists need an excuse to embroil the world in conflict?....

 

[Jay]

Is it that the U.S. was an unwitting victim to a renegade faction of fundamentalis Islamists

I'll take door #2.

 

[MikeyDB]

Terrific!

So you've remained un-bamboozled by circuses like the war in Viet Nam and the invaision of Granada....

The mess left in Haiti by American big sugar and the lies and deception of the North American Free Trade Agreement...

There's such a lengthy list of myths it's difficult sometimes to trace the interrelationships that exist!

 

[MikeyDB]

Thanks for the welcome Aeon!

 

[I think not]

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Nice to see that the spirit of skepticism is alive and well!

:lol:

Is that what they call fantasyland nowadays?

 

[aeon]

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Nice to see that the spirit of skepticism is alive and well!

:lol:

Is that what they call fantasyland nowadays?

Nahhh come on ITN, that is what your leaders, our leaders wants us to live, in a fantasy land, where terrorism is used withouth any shred of evidence that they are really what our leader says they are. :wink:

 

[I think not]

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Nahhh come on ITN, that is what your leaders, our leaders wants us to live, in a fantasy land, where terrorism is used withouth any shred of evidence that they are really what our leader says they are. :wink:

You are 100% right, so why don't you use your head and common sense and stop believing what you are told by conspiracy theory wackos?

 

[aeon]

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Thanks for the welcome Aeon!

You are welcome, but don't be too factual in here, you will be labeled as anti-american or anti-semite . :wink: (humour)

 

[MikeyDB]

I harbor an abiding mistrust for anyone who tells me that true happiness comes by driving their brand of automobile or truck, and then knowingly sells me a vehicle that explodes into flame on impact! See Ford Pinto and GM pickups….

I mistrust anyone who tells me they’re looking out for my best interests by taking away my freedoms and taking extreme and extraordinary measures to “preserve” national “security” by expanding their powers to surveil and by setting up kangaroo courts and prison camps in foreign nations so they can get away with what would be a crime in their own country.

You can trust in the myths of freedom and democracy if you like, but we’re living in a shadowy misrepresentation of the freedom that millions died for during two world wars.

Take Stephen Harpers line (pre-election) about honesty and transparency and witness the shenanigans played by he and his cohort’s literally only hours after accepting the reins of power!

Imagine how those folk who surrendered their lives for our “freedoms” would feel if they see the image of a three year old Afghani child bombed by our allies and being supported by Canadians in an American war of petro-imperialism….

Brian Mulroney sold out Canada to America through the smoke’n mirrors of the free trade agreement….. and when American industry isn’t happy with the agreement they’re more than happy to quash that agreement and scoop billions in illegal fees….

How many more myths would you like to invest in???

 

[aeon]

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Nahhh come on ITN, that is what your leaders, our leaders wants us to live, in a fantasy land, where terrorism is used withouth any shred of evidence that they are really what our leader says they are. :wink:

You are 100% right, so why don't you use your head and common sense and stop believing what you are told by conspiracy theory wackos?

Exactly, i dont believe in any conspiracy theory, just like i told you the 19 hijackers that did 9-11 with box cutter, is a conspiracy theory, because there is not a single shread of evidence that they are behind 9-11. :lol:

 

[MikeyDB]

Fantasyland and I think not.


Gday I think not!

It’s not a fantasy that America supplied Iraq with WMD

It’s not a fantasy that America supplied Iran missiles under Ron Reagan.

It’s not a fantasy that despite thousands of scientists telling the Bush administration that global warming is causing climate shifts…and were subsequently ignored and labeled as conspiracy theorists by the Whitehouse…

It’s not a fantasy that the American administration diverted money from the levee maintenance in Louisiana to feed its trumped-up “war on terrorism”, and it sure isn’t fantasy that the American School of the Americas has been teaching terrorism for decades to such sterling folk as Manuel Noriega.

Why don’t you tell us how to differentiate between the “fantasies” of American petro-imperialism and the myths that come swinging down the pike about everyone the U.S. administration feels ought to acquiesce to the big-stick propaganda of American Manifest Destiny???

 

[aeon]

I harbor an abiding mistrust for anyone who tells me that true happiness comes by driving their brand of automobile or truck, and then knowingly sells me a vehicle that explodes into flame on impact! See Ford Pinto and GM pickups….

I mistrust anyone who tells me they’re looking out for my best interests by taking away my freedoms and taking extreme and extraordinary measures to “preserve” national “security” by expanding their powers to surveil and by setting up kangaroo courts and prison camps in foreign nations so they can get away with what would be a crime in their own country.

You can trust in the myths of freedom and democracy if you like, but we’re living in a shadowy misrepresentation of the freedom that millions died for during two world wars.

Take Stephen Harpers line (pre-election) about honesty and transparency and witness the shenanigans played by he and his cohort’s literally only hours after accepting the reins of power!

Imagine how those folk who surrendered their lives for our “freedoms” would feel if they see the image of a three year old Afghani child bombed by our allies and being supported by Canadians in an American war of petro-imperialism….

Brian Mulroney sold out Canada to America through the smoke’n mirrors of the free trade agreement….. and when American industry isn’t happy with the agreement they’re more than happy to quash that agreement and scoop billions in illegal fees….

How many more myths would you like to invest in???

Seriously well said.

 

[MikeyDB]

How myths are created.


Consider the riotous clamor of paper shredders at the firm of Arthur Andersen as it got rid of the lies and misrepresentations it supplied in support of Ken Lay during the Enron scandal….

Consider the duplicity of Chuck Guite and Alphonso Gagliano in the “AdScam follies”….

How could anyone even consider the notion that our governments lie and steal from us???

Of course (tongue firmly in cheek) it’s entirely reasonable that a finance minister sitting on the Treasury Board wouldn’t know squat about three hundred million dollars going bye-bye….even though this stooge is responsible for creating the national budget….yeah sure and paper shredders hum gleefully in the background….

Entertain the warped logic of Jean Chretien that tells him it’s critical that Canadian government mandarins really really need luxury executive jets to flit about the globe while our military and SAR groups take their lives in their hands every time they climb aboard ancient Sea King helicopters….

Don’t get me wrong here “I think not”…corruption and greed know no national boundaries and no politician anywhere can help but entertain ideas that work to their advantage or further their personal philosophies and agendas….

Just thank your lucky stars that the likes of Stephen Harper and the KeyStone Kops on Canada’s Parliament hill don’t enjoy the power and wealth of the dry-drunk Americans elected to the Whitehouse….

 

[drose]

It’s not a fantasy that despite thousands of scientists telling the Bush administration that global warming is causing climate shifts…and were subsequently ignored and labeled as conspiracy theorists by the Whitehouse…

It’s not a fantasy that the American administration diverted money from the levee maintenance in Louisiana to feed its trumped-up “war on terrorism”, and it sure isn’t fantasy that the American School of the Americas has been teaching terrorism for decades to such sterling folk as Manuel Noriega.

Why don’t you tell us how to differentiate between the “fantasies” of American petro-imperialism and the myths that come swinging down the pike about everyone the U.S. administration feels ought to acquiesce to the big-stick propaganda of American Manifest Destiny???

On Climate Change - Bush acknowledges it. Even agrees that CO2 from human sources is the cause and has even begun to work with the international community to begin to lower emissions. Ever hear of the AP-6?

LA Levee fund diversion - Yeah, there was diversion - by local officials. New Orleans is in a bowl below sea level - and sinking fast. If it wasn't for pumps the city would be a fetid lake with levees for banks. It needs to be abandoned. Katrina did a wonderful job of forcing relocation, now we just need bulldozers to finish the job.

And if the Bush administration is imperialism in action, God help us, because I can't think of a less competent way to go about conquering the world than what these clowns have shown so far.

I do wish you types would come up with something else to bitch about, or at least come up with a more original load of crap. :roll:

 

[MikeyDB]

Greetings Drose!

You point out an interesting facet in the dynamics of fantasy and myth-building…

Is it part of fantasy or part of myth-building that permits us to parrot the latest admissions of ineptitude and shortsightedness as riposte as opposed to simple acknowledgement that despite months and years of denial that now everything’s just wonderful????

Obviously you don’t live in New Orleans….lucky you!

Why is it that, to use your words…for “you types” it’s easier to avoid acknowledgement than it is to deal with a reality that’s been well established for years?

My interest isn’t in dissing George Bush any more than anyone else, it’s simply to point out that one mans fantasy…or myth is another mans fervent belief…regardless of the facts involved.

Do you really imagine that the American penchant for keeping the blood running anywhere except on American soil is something that can be ignored by the world???

Would you suggest that arming Bin Laden and his ilk in Afghanistan to prevent the “Soviets” from moving in…or supplying chemical weapons to Iraq and missiles to Iran are simply components of a foreign policy and international mosaic that ought to be ignored in evaluating why we’re watching the decline of western civilization?

Is your prescription a Pollyanna view of everything that’s contributed to this situation in response to those of the “the sky is falling the sky is falling” crowd?

I’m looking for a middle ground here Drose and I don’t think ignoring the predicates to international conflict will move us in that direction….

 

[MikeyDB]

“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”
“We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
Do you think the American Dream extant in the shadow of 9/11 mirrors these words and if you do, please help me understand where the constant vigilance than another great American statesman once identified as a necessity to the experience of freedom has gone…..

 

[EagleSmack]

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So where was it shot down? Was it shot down in the DC area? Did the pilot conveinently fly his plane to a remote location over the Atlantic to have his plane shot down? If it landed safely what do you think happened? Were the people killed? Are they imprisoned? Who's watching them?

Were is the evidence even if it is faux evidence?

I am focusing on Flt. 77 because you chose to ignore it as it doesn't fit your conspiracy.

I did not know you asked me the anthrax question. It wasn't an inside job... it may not have been Arab terrosist but it surely wasn't the US Govt.

Bldg 7 collapsed because of uncontrollable fires and damage by the collapsing towers. I had the opportunity to talk to a NY Firefighter while I was vacationing in Florida. He and his family were staying at the same hotel and we struck up a conversation and ended up golfing the next day. So I asked him...

"This may be a stupid question but there has always been talk of controlled explosions and conspiracies. How did Bldg. 7 collapse?"

"Those people are whack jobs" he said "When I got there both buildings were already gone and Bldg. 7 was up in flames. We were told that Bldg. 7 was a complete loss and we knew it was evacuated. We were trying to rescue people and trying to save the other buildings. You have to have seen the place... fires were all over and we could not even keep up. Bldg. 7 collapsed because of damage from the tower collapse and uncontrollabe fires and that is that."

Wrong , wrong, and wrong


Antrax was an inside job

http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/comment/story/0,,648873,00.html

This week's New Scientist reports that the FBI has yet to catch the perpetrators of the anthrax attacks. "Investigators are virtually certain of one thing, though: it was an inside job. The anthrax attacker is an American scientist - and worse, one from within the US's own biodefence establishment... If he wished to scale up US military action against Iraq, he almost succeeded - many in Washington tried hard to see Saddam Hussein's hand in the attacks. If he wished merely to make the US pour billions into biodefence, he did succeed."

Building 7 was controlled demolition, here the leaseholder of the building who admits it.


http://www.infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV


Don't believe that pull means, demolition?? here is the proof.

http://tinyurl.com/c3f9f



Now you can talk about flight 77 as you want, but as long as your governement doesnt show what really hit the pentagone, we can only speculate on it.

The antrax, building 7 and operation northwood http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood are the key of 9-11 event.

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro as part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state sponsored terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the highest ranking member of the U.S. military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.

And the fact that the fbi,sees no hard evidence linking bin laden to 9-11, is a great evidence, that this war on terror is a total joke.

How can you possibly expect me or anyone with a sense of sanity to believe what is written in the Gaurdian? People who write for the Gaurdian are 100% Anti-American Bush haters like yourself.

The Gaurdian is the Liberal Left's Pravda.

So no Aeon... you are wrong. Saudi (and others) terrorist hijacked planes and smashed them into buildings.

Maybe your new buddy can explain where Flt. 77 went.