9/11: Debunking The Myths
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Yes, I would say so. They are just the opposite extremes.
jimmoyer said:
Yes, I would say so. They are just the opposite extremes.
it isn't the left wing of the nut, or the right wing of the nut, but the hole in the middle of the nut you need to worry about.
Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The Myths
First of all, oussama bin laden denied the involvment twice on 16th of september and the 28th of september 2001,never claim responsibility for the bombing of wtc in 1993, i guess it is a nice try from you.
jimmoyer said:
First of all, oussama bin laden denied the involvment twice on 16th of september and the 28th of september 2001,never claim responsibility for the bombing of wtc in 1993, i guess it is a nice try from you.
ITN:
You and I have been through all of this already, I'm thinking...and I apologize for my belated response, but I try to avoid having a battle of wits with one so inadequately armed...but I was asked some time ago, by one whom I consider a friend to take up this challenge...at the time, I had no time...and I still don't, but I'm here anyway, so I hope you appreciate it...
Some sites have already been posted by others that address the factual discrepancies and outright lies of the article in question, so I'll not address that at this time...
I do seem to recall though that some time ago, you and I got into this this matter of the Popular Mechanics propagandist peice of crap and it was revealed that the Senior researcher for the PM article was none other than Benjamin Chertoff, cousin to the Secretary of Homeland Security during the time of 911, Michael Chertoff, man of FEMA fame and New Orleans misfortune...
A remarkable coincidence that...and you know me, I like to look into the background of the authors and their possible motives...
I wonder what would have motivated Chertoff?
Chertoff's Cousin Penned Popular Mechanics 9/11 Hit Piece
You can't possibly hope to blow off the ever growing movement of 911 skeptics with an irrelevant bit of tripe such as this oft-touted PM drivel.
None of the pertinent questions were answered by that peice, such as:
Top 500 Questions Concerning the Events of 911
These are not questions by crackpots, but questions asked by family members of 911 victims. Questions that need answering and that your administration has taken no steps to adequately answer.
The 911 Commission Report created just as many questions as answers, and reeks of coverup, failing almost entirely to answer some of the most compelling questions, such as:
The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571 Page Lie
Please forgive the overlap of questions...
The way I see it, concerning 911, there are two camps: those that support the official account of the events leading up to and occuring on 911, and those that don't.
Those that don't buy into the story are relegated to the realm of conspiracy whack-jobs because they ask difficult questions of those that do support the "official story". Those that do continue to refuse to answer those questions, and are shocked and aghast when the skeptics mutter about coverups and conspiracy.
If there is no conspiracy, what do they stand to lose by answering the questions?
We, the people of this good Earth need to have a truly independent commission, one that your administration has no influence over, to answer to the satisfaction of the skeptics, some of those important questions, and to allow for public scrutiny and cross-examination. Let the truth of this or that be revealed, and we can either lay the conspiracy to rest, or put the boots to those that are responsible.
Either way would be better than just not knowing...
You and I have been through all of this already, I'm thinking...and I apologize for my belated response, but I try to avoid having a battle of wits with one so inadequately armed...but I was asked some time ago, by one whom I consider a friend to take up this challenge...at the time, I had no time...and I still don't, but I'm here anyway, so I hope you appreciate it...
Some sites have already been posted by others that address the factual discrepancies and outright lies of the article in question, so I'll not address that at this time...
I do seem to recall though that some time ago, you and I got into this this matter of the Popular Mechanics propagandist peice of crap and it was revealed that the Senior researcher for the PM article was none other than Benjamin Chertoff, cousin to the Secretary of Homeland Security during the time of 911, Michael Chertoff, man of FEMA fame and New Orleans misfortune...
A remarkable coincidence that...and you know me, I like to look into the background of the authors and their possible motives...
I wonder what would have motivated Chertoff?
Chertoff's Cousin Penned Popular Mechanics 9/11 Hit Piece
You can't possibly hope to blow off the ever growing movement of 911 skeptics with an irrelevant bit of tripe such as this oft-touted PM drivel.
None of the pertinent questions were answered by that peice, such as:
Top 500 Questions Concerning the Events of 911
These are not questions by crackpots, but questions asked by family members of 911 victims. Questions that need answering and that your administration has taken no steps to adequately answer.
The 911 Commission Report created just as many questions as answers, and reeks of coverup, failing almost entirely to answer some of the most compelling questions, such as:
The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571 Page Lie
Please forgive the overlap of questions...
The way I see it, concerning 911, there are two camps: those that support the official account of the events leading up to and occuring on 911, and those that don't.
Those that don't buy into the story are relegated to the realm of conspiracy whack-jobs because they ask difficult questions of those that do support the "official story". Those that do continue to refuse to answer those questions, and are shocked and aghast when the skeptics mutter about coverups and conspiracy.
If there is no conspiracy, what do they stand to lose by answering the questions?
We, the people of this good Earth need to have a truly independent commission, one that your administration has no influence over, to answer to the satisfaction of the skeptics, some of those important questions, and to allow for public scrutiny and cross-examination. Let the truth of this or that be revealed, and we can either lay the conspiracy to rest, or put the boots to those that are responsible.
Either way would be better than just not knowing...
RE: 9/11: Debunking The M
Very good post, even tone and everything, Vanni Fucci, and that what the whole discussion comes down to (and usually, sadly ends with)
I know folks of both stripes, but far more of the "what REALLY happened" types, and it IS odd that folks touting the official line get offensive, strident and insulting (or otherwise odwnright pathetic, evoking the "3000 dead people and YOU DON'T CARE" line of "arguing")
You post is one of the most level-headed posts I've yet seen here, good stuff
Very good post, even tone and everything, Vanni Fucci, and that what the whole discussion comes down to (and usually, sadly ends with)
I know folks of both stripes, but far more of the "what REALLY happened" types, and it IS odd that folks touting the official line get offensive, strident and insulting (or otherwise odwnright pathetic, evoking the "3000 dead people and YOU DON'T CARE" line of "arguing")
You post is one of the most level-headed posts I've yet seen here, good stuff
Sighhh... from one extreme to the other.:roll:
It must be nice to live in a world of black and white, where you don't have to learn or think, just see what colour hat everybody is wearing ...
Why the sigh?
You guys are right. It was a plan by Bush. I am now convinced by all of you.
All of what the world saw live was a complete fake. There were no terrorist OR planes for that matter. Now there are 3000 people living it up on a tropical S. Pacific island sipping umbrella drinks and laughing it up at the suckers they left behind. I think the biggest losers are the thousands of Jews who didn't show up for work as part of the conspiracy. They would be sunning themselves right now instead of prepping the world for the Zionist takeover.
You guys are right. It was a plan by Bush. I am now convinced by all of you.
All of what the world saw live was a complete fake. There were no terrorist OR planes for that matter. Now there are 3000 people living it up on a tropical S. Pacific island sipping umbrella drinks and laughing it up at the suckers they left behind. I think the biggest losers are the thousands of Jews who didn't show up for work as part of the conspiracy. They would be sunning themselves right now instead of prepping the world for the Zionist takeover.
Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The Myths
True ,Islam is a peaceful religion , and bush along with other did 9-11, otherwise, they should released the video from the pentagone, uncensored 28 pages of the 9-11 comission, reinvestigate 9-11 with a real independant comission, put bush under oath in front of an independant comission, which he refused to do with a bi partisan comission , along with cheeney, investigate the whole bin laden family along with the house of saud.Until then, there is no reason to believe the us official story.
EagleSmack said:
True ,Islam is a peaceful religion , and bush along with other did 9-11, otherwise, they should released the video from the pentagone, uncensored 28 pages of the 9-11 comission, reinvestigate 9-11 with a real independant comission, put bush under oath in front of an independant comission, which he refused to do with a bi partisan comission , along with cheeney, investigate the whole bin laden family along with the house of saud.Until then, there is no reason to believe the us official story.
Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The Myths
Aeon Quick to your Conspiracy Theory Websites! :lol:aeon said:
Vanni Fucci
I'm flattered a friend of yours thought this thread is important enough to warrant taking you away from your life to come and combat a drop of common sense (which conspiracy theorists lack) and contribute to the "debate" by adding more conspiracy theory websites, as if the ones we get already aren't enough.
So you thought you would swing by, post websites we have all seen before and think you have made your point? I don't think so.
You are right, I am well aware of your curiosity in terms of indentifying who and why would try and debunk conspiracy theories. Which surprises me that you would use Rense.com, owned by Jeff Rense. Jeff Rense is a popular conspiracy theorist, does talk radio and has a daily show in California. Other than believing 9/11 was perpetrated by the US government, he also believes that HIV was created in laboratories by the CIA in order to rid the world of its "undesirables" such as blacks and homosexuals and to reduce the world's population.
He is known to be very anti-Semetic and he has also denied the holocaust, maybe if he read real books, he wouldn't be questioning it. So if you think I am going to take him seriously you are gravely mistaken. But I also believe you never bothered reading the top 500 questions "allegedly" asked by the families, because when questions such as these are asked; What was the role of Colin Powell? and someone demands an answer to it, I think you would agree he deserves a fruit cake more than an answer.
Here are a couple of other ones being asked, and you want someone from the government to take these things seriously?
Did Bush ever wonder how Bin Laden was able to hear the first plane crash live on the radio?
Why on earth would anyone wonder if Bin Laden is having reception problems with his radio?
You can go through the rest of the garbage yourself.
Also, your reference to Chertoff's cousin, isn't confirmed, if you bothered listening to Alex Jones, he says specifically, according to reports, so I'm not impressed. Alex jones is a person with questions, not answers, he does this when he tries to make a point also, he can never comfirm anything. Responsible news reporter eh?
And last but not least Globalresearch.ca;
Think they might be a tad biased?
Welcome back Vanni.
I'm flattered a friend of yours thought this thread is important enough to warrant taking you away from your life to come and combat a drop of common sense (which conspiracy theorists lack) and contribute to the "debate" by adding more conspiracy theory websites, as if the ones we get already aren't enough.
So you thought you would swing by, post websites we have all seen before and think you have made your point? I don't think so.
You are right, I am well aware of your curiosity in terms of indentifying who and why would try and debunk conspiracy theories. Which surprises me that you would use Rense.com, owned by Jeff Rense. Jeff Rense is a popular conspiracy theorist, does talk radio and has a daily show in California. Other than believing 9/11 was perpetrated by the US government, he also believes that HIV was created in laboratories by the CIA in order to rid the world of its "undesirables" such as blacks and homosexuals and to reduce the world's population.
He is known to be very anti-Semetic and he has also denied the holocaust, maybe if he read real books, he wouldn't be questioning it. So if you think I am going to take him seriously you are gravely mistaken. But I also believe you never bothered reading the top 500 questions "allegedly" asked by the families, because when questions such as these are asked; What was the role of Colin Powell? and someone demands an answer to it, I think you would agree he deserves a fruit cake more than an answer.
Here are a couple of other ones being asked, and you want someone from the government to take these things seriously?
Did Bush ever wonder how Bin Laden was able to hear the first plane crash live on the radio?
Why on earth would anyone wonder if Bin Laden is having reception problems with his radio?
You can go through the rest of the garbage yourself.
Also, your reference to Chertoff's cousin, isn't confirmed, if you bothered listening to Alex Jones, he says specifically, according to reports, so I'm not impressed. Alex jones is a person with questions, not answers, he does this when he tries to make a point also, he can never comfirm anything. Responsible news reporter eh?
And last but not least Globalresearch.ca;
Think they might be a tad biased?
Welcome back Vanni.
RE: 9/11: Debunking The M
Bias is a problem, but secrecy is a greater problem. Thanks for the link ITN looks like well done research to me but you know I'm biased.
Bias is a problem, but secrecy is a greater problem. Thanks for the link ITN looks like well done research to me but you know I'm biased.
RE: 9/11: Debunking The M
FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?
The world didn't ask that one simple and compelling question, just America asked ,everyone else knew why and that was what mattered.
FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?
The world didn't ask that one simple and compelling question, just America asked ,everyone else knew why and that was what mattered.
Re: Darkbeaver's Hypothesis
An interesting assertion, darkbeaver.
For the sake of curiosity, I would ask you to inform me as to what question had not been asked by the United States of America (yet had been asked by most other nations), and as to what that answer is (which you would suggest I should be aware of, as a non-American)?
An interesting assertion, darkbeaver.
For the sake of curiosity, I would ask you to inform me as to what question had not been asked by the United States of America (yet had been asked by most other nations), and as to what that answer is (which you would suggest I should be aware of, as a non-American)?
In regards to this topic, I found an interesting video on-line called, Loose Change.
Just thought I'd post the link, in case anyone was interested in watching it with an open mind. It asks some questions that I'd be interested to hear the answers too.
Just thought I'd post the link, in case anyone was interested in watching it with an open mind. It asks some questions that I'd be interested to hear the answers too.
I have watched this video it's Conspiracy Theory 101.Judland said:
That's the beauty of the internet Conspiracy Theory Moonbats can post their pointless rants.
Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M
NORAD was trained and ready for Air Attacks from outside the United States never from within, so the Military was caught off guard that day.
Now the U.S. Military is ready for another 9/11 type attack within U.S. Air Space ready to down any Hijacked plane. The same could apply to Canada's Military patrolling Canadian Air Space ready to down any Hijacked plane because this is the World we now live in where the chance of Hijackers using Hijacked planes as WMD's is real.
How could it happen is simple no one ever thought HiJackers would use Hijacked planes as WMD's flying them into buildings and this happen because the Hijackers spent years from the late 1990's planning 9/11 in every detail. One could say 9/11 was a perfect Military style attack.darkbeaver said:
NORAD was trained and ready for Air Attacks from outside the United States never from within, so the Military was caught off guard that day.
Now the U.S. Military is ready for another 9/11 type attack within U.S. Air Space ready to down any Hijacked plane. The same could apply to Canada's Military patrolling Canadian Air Space ready to down any Hijacked plane because this is the World we now live in where the chance of Hijackers using Hijacked planes as WMD's is real.