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petros

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I can’t post a link to answer a question (not your question, or mine, unless it states something….that just information to answer the question, like I did? Not sure where you’re coming from.
Were you disappointed nobody gets pushed off buildings, jailed or is strung up by cranes?

And before you go nuts, gay hookers and junkies get roughed up by cops and customers here too. Yes there is drugs and prostitution in Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem.
 

Ron in Regina

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Were you disappointed nobody gets pushed off buildings, jailed or is strung up by cranes?
Am I supposed to be? Are you disappointed that there’s nobody being discussed here being pushed off of buildings or jailed or strung up by cranes?
And before you go nuts, gay hookers and junkies get roughed up by cops and customers here too. Yes there is drugs and prostitution in Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem.
I posted a wiki link for information and depth. Do with what you will, or not.
 

petros

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Am I supposed to be? Are you disappointed that there’s nobody being discussed here being pushed off of buildings or jailed or strung up by cranes?

I posted a wiki link for information and depth. Do with what you will, or not.
For once we can put the myth of LGBTQ being pushed off of buildings or jailed or strung up by cranes to bed instead of repeating it over and over and over as reality.

Awesome 👌
 

Ron in Regina

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For once we can put the myth of LGBTQ being pushed off of buildings or jailed or strung up by cranes to bed instead of repeating it over and over and over as reality.

Awesome 👌
So that didn’t happen then? There aren’t pictures out there of that happening? Not that I’ve looked for them because I have no interest in seeing them.

I’ll invest about three minutes in a Wikipedia, but that’s as far as I’m going.
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This doesn’t explain them fleeing Palestine to Israel to avoid persecution, but maybe that’s propaganda, etc…who’s is anyone’s guess, I guess.
 

petros

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So that didn’t happen then? There aren’t pictures out there of that happening? Not that I’ve looked for them because I have no interest in seeing them.

I’ll invest about three minutes in a Wikipedia, but that’s as far as I’m going.
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This doesn’t explain them fleeing Palestine to Israel to avoid persecution, but maybe that’s propaganda, etc…who’s is anyone’s guess, I guess.
Drugs and prostitution just like here. More customers in TelAviv than Ramallah and earn more money. You don't think those American evangelical weirdos don't go out for dark meat when out of the US south?

Have you ever heard the story of the hole in wall of a house on a rez so horses could drink from the bathtub?
 

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Ottawa mayor will not apologize, give in to demands by Pride Parade protestors
Mark Sutcliffe called protest inappropriate, said blocking parade improper way to advocate for important causes

Author of the article:paula Tran
Published Aug 25, 2025 • Last updated 13 hours ago • 6 minute read

Capital Pride's annual parade launched from City Hall Saturday but ground to a halt near Parliament Hill after pro-Palestinian demonstrators blocked the route.
Capital Pride's annual parade launched from City Hall Saturday but ground to a halt near Parliament Hill after pro-Palestinian demonstrators blocked the route.
Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe said he will not apologize nor give in to the demands set by Queers 4 Palestine – Ottawa after the group blocked the Pride parade shortly after it started on Sunday afternoon.


In a news conference on Monday morning, Sutcliffe called the protest inappropriate and said blocking a parade is not a proper way to discuss issues and advocate for important causes.


He also refused to apologize for not participating in the Capital Pride parade last year after the non-profit issued a statement in support of Palestine.

“I don’t think we want to have a situation where anybody can just block a parade — especially Capital Pride — put a bunch of demands on the table, and the parade doesn’t move forward unless people get into those demands. I don’t think that’s acceptable,” Sutcliffe told reporters.

“I don’t think that’s a proper way to advocate or discuss the issues that are important to those people…. If you start licensing people to block parades and other events and say we’ll do whatever you ask, where does it end?”


What happened during the protest?
His comments come a day after the pro-Palestinian activist group blocked the Pride Parade on Wellington Street near O’Connor Street shortly after it began on Sunday afternoon.

Queers 4 Palestine – Ottawa (Q4P-O) were invited by Parade Grand Marshall Miss Patience Plush to march alongside her, and stopped the parade to protest against Capital Pride silently dropping its statement in support of Palestine, made in 2024.

Members were dancing and singing peacefully while waving banners and Palestinian flags. A giant pink-and-black banner read “all of us or none of us” and “Stonewall was an intifada.”

Q4P-O also issued a list of demands to Sutcliffe and Capital Pride.

According to a pamphlet handed out to participants on Sunday, Q4P-O want Capital Pride to host a BDS (boycott, divestment, sanctions) town hall and support the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel. The BDS movement is a Palestinian-led movement which aims to use economic pressure to force corporations, banks and other entities to withdraw support from Israel.


The group also called on Sutcliffe to “apologize for last year’s boycott (of the parade) and the call to defund Pride” and “commit to stand with (protesters) and all oppressed peoples, including Palestinians.”

““We will not leave until our elected officials and Capital Pride come down and meet our demands,” said Masha Davidovic, a member of Queers for Palestine-Ottawa group.

What did Capital Pride say?
The parade was dissolved by Capital Pride an hour after it was stopped. In a statement on social media on Sunday evening, the organization said rerouting the parade was not possible and Q4P-O members refused to have a meaningful discussion with officials.

“As a community organization, we strive to engage with our community members in good faith and to balance the various interests and demands that are made of us while also organizing one of the largest festivals in our city,” the post read.


“Throughout the summer, we had several meetings with Q4P along with other community groups to discuss the issues that are important to them.

“Unfortunately, the group refused to have a meaningful discussion about how to move forward. After over an hour of attempting to resolve the stoppage, it became clear that Q4P was unwilling to engage in a good faith conversation and was insistent on misrepresenting our discussions.”

The Ottawa Citizen reached out to Capital Pride with a request for comment but did not receive a response in time for publication.

Where does the mayor stand now?
Sutcliffe said Monday he will not meet those demands and instead said “the ball is now in Capital Pride’s court.”

“I don’t feel any sort of apology is warranted. Last year, the City of Ottawa made a decision, and I made a personal decision, not to participate in the Pride Parade. I participated in a bunch of other events during Pride Week to demonstrate my solidarity with the 2SLGBTQ+ community. I’m always going to be, and I have always been a supporter of the community. I’m a supporter of equal rights,” he said.


He also added it is up to Capital Pride to make sure they can deliver an event that everyone can participate in.

“We’ve worked very closely with them over the last few weeks. There were a couple of obstacles, actually, that they needed to overcome in order for this year’s event to go ahead, including some pretty significant obstacles that we my office work with them on to try to resolve so this year’s event could go ahead,” Sutcliffe said.

“So we’re always happy to work with Capital Pride to help them in any way possible to make sure the event can proceed. But again, it’s their event. It’s up to them to make sure that they can deliver an event for the community and for all those who are participating.”

What is Queers 4 Palestine’s response?
Davidovic told the Ottawa Citizen in an interview Monday that the parade stoppage was previously agreed on with Miss Patience Plush.


She said she was surprised that Capital Pride decided to cancel the rest of the parade because the group was under the impression that they would be able to march in protest down Bank Street.

Q4P-O and other community members decided to stick to that plan anyway after the Pride parade was dissolved.

“The decision was made to halt the march until Capital Pride and the mayor came to be accountable to their community, and to speak with their village and publicly commit supporting the village and our solidarity values, instead of using the day as a photo-op without any accountability,” Davidovic said.

“This was a moment of our village stopping and claiming the street and claiming our space. This is a beautiful day where we were there. We were dancing, chanting. There were performers and drag performers. Last year’s grand marshal was with us dancing. The grand marshal from the year before that was there as well. It was a beautiful and energizing atmosphere of celebration and pride and joy and protest.”


She also criticized Sutcliffe’s refusal to apologize for withdrawing support for Pride last year and said he is not being an ally to the LGBTQ2S+ community.

“An ally is meant to uplift and amplify the voices of the people that they’re in allyship with — the voices of the village — and that’s what Mark, very publicly, refused to do yesterday,” Davidovic said.

“For us, what we basically saw was the most powerful man in the city, who is not a member of our community, refusing to talk to the 2SLGBTQIA+ people who were actually leading the parade and also refusing to leave. … That’s very concerning, and it raises very serious questions about why he’s there in the first place, and why he has so much to say about what Pride should or shouldn’t be, and what it should or shouldn’t have.”


She also raised concerns about Capital Pride’s statement, saying the organization has chosen to side with the mayor.

“It’s very hard to understand why Capital Pride is aligning themselves with the mayor to smear and attack their own community for actually enacting those values that we all share behind closed doors. It looks like they’ve been pressured, and that’s not going to be acceptable for us.”

Davidovic said Q4P-O will continue to hold both organizations accountable by continuing to present the demands.

“This was a day of pride and joy and protest in a time when there are more and more attacks on our community’s rights. Queer and trans protests and hard-won victories aren’t just in the past, they’re in our present and in our future,” she said.

“This weekend really exposed that the protest is still necessary because big, well-funded organizations like Capital Pride, who claim to speak for the community, are subjected to this intense pressure from non-queer and trans funders, politicians and figures like Mark Sutcliffe.”
 

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Protest in Ottawa, eh?

I just want to know if there was bouncy castles and horn honking involved?....And how many were arrested and not given bail?
 
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Men charged with hugging and kissing are among group publicly caned by Indonesian Islamic court
Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
Yayan Zamzami And Edna Tarigan
Published Aug 26, 2025 • 3 minute read

Indonesia Caning
Chief Judge Rokhmadi, center, reads his verdict during the sentencing hearing for two men accused of having gay sex, at the Sharia Court in Banda Aceh, Indonesia, Monday, Aug. 11, 2025. Photo by Reza Saifullah /AP Photo
BANDA ACEH, Indonesia (AP) — Two men in Indonesia’s conservative Aceh province were among a group of people publicly caned on Tuesday after an Islamic Shariah court convicted them of violating Islamic law by hugging and kissing, which the court ruled can lead to banned sexual relations.


An audience of about 100 people witnessed the caning on a stage in Bustanussalatin city park in Banda Aceh on Tuesday. The men, aged 20 and 21, were whipped across their backs with a rattan cane dozens of times by a group of people wearing robes and hoods.


Aceh allows up to 100 lashes for morality offenses including gay sex and sex between unmarried people. Caning is also a punishment in Aceh for gambling, drinking alcohol, women who wear tight clothes and men who do not attend Friday prayers.

The court in Aceh sentenced the men to 80 strikes each after Islamic religious police said they caught them engaged in what the court deemed were the sexual acts of hugging and kissing in a bathroom of a public park, court records said.


Eight other people were publicly caned Tuesday for adultery and gambling.

The men were arrested in April at Taman Sari city park in Banda Aceh after residents told a police patrol they saw the men enter the same park bathroom. The police found the men inside kissing and hugging. Prior to meeting in the park, the pair made contact through an online dating app, court records said.

Aceh is the only province in Indonesia to practice Shariah law. There have been four previous canings for cases related to homosexuality since the province implemented Islamic law and established a religious police and court system in 2006. The change was a concession by the national government to end a long-running separatist uprising.


Indonesia’s national criminal code does not regulate homosexuality but the central government cannot strike down Shariah law in Aceh. However, the central government previously pressured Aceh officials to drop an earlier version of a law calling for people to be stoned to death for adultery.

Aceh expanded its Islamic bylaws and criminal code in 2015, extending Shariah law to non-Muslims, who account for about 1% of the province’s population.

Two other men were publicly caned in February at the same Aceh park after a Shariah court convicted them of having sex.

A coalition of human rights groups filed a petition to Indonesia’s Supreme Court in 2016 seeking a review of Aceh’s regional regulations allowing caning, but the request was rejected. Indonesia’s Ministry of Home Affairs issued a letter in 2016 to Aceh’s governor about caning, noting regional laws in Indonesia should be enforced for minor crimes.


Canning is a corporal punishment and Indonesia has ratified a convention mandating the abolition of inhumane punishments, said Maidina Rahmawati, acting executive director of the Institute for Criminal Justice Reform in Indonesia.

“That public caning, even the act of caning itself, is contrary to various laws and regulations and also contrary to human rights interests in Indonesia because its exposure is not good for Indonesia,” Rahmawati said.

Shifting political dynamics played a role in the implementation of the policy, Rahmawati said.

“Because it seemed like this was the right thing to do, it had to be done, it had to be narrated to support the Sharia-based government in Aceh,” Rahmawati said.

Amnesty International issued a statement Tuesday calling the caning of the two men “a disturbing act of state-sanctioned discrimination and cruelty.”


“This punishment is a horrifying reminder of the institutionalized stigma and abuse faced by LGBTQ+ individuals in Aceh. Intimate relationships between consenting adults should never be criminalized,” Amnesty’s Regional Research Director Montse Ferrer said in the statement.

Aulia Saputra, a Banda Aceh resident who attended the caning, said the punishment may prevent other violations of Shariah law.

“I hope that with the implementation of this caning punishment, it can serve as a lesson for the offender and also create a deterrent effect, so that such incidents do not happen again in the future,” Saputra said.
 

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Dystopian fiction often brushes over the most chilling part of the road to madness, which is the road itself. Authors hint at some great calamity or war that sets things in motion, and describe in vivid detail the hulking bureaucracies that grind all courage or curiosity from human beings. But rarely do they place readers in the pot with the frog, watching freedoms dissolve one by one.

This week, Graham Linehan, the creator of Father Ted and the IT Crowd, found himself in just such a pot. As he stepped off a plane from Arizona to Heathrow, five armed police officers greeted him on the tarmac. “When I first saw the cops, I actually laughed,” he later wrote on Substack. “I couldn’t help myself. ‘Don’t tell me! You’ve been sent by trans activists.’”

The officers didn’t laugh. The comedy writer was arrested for three tweets which might have offended some trans people. His belongings were confiscated and he was taken to a cell with a steel toilet and concave mirror. His reflection in that mirror — “presumably there,” he wrote, “to make you reflect on your life choices” — should prompt us in Britain to take stock, too.

(Thank God he didn’t mention Bacon)
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Sometimes it takes an ocean of distance to appreciate such a profound moral upheaval. As chance would have it, the day after Linehan’s arrest, Nigel Farage, the leader of Britain’s right-leaning Reform party, testified before the U.S. House of Representative’s Judiciary Committee on threats to free speech in Europe.

“At what point did we become North Korea?” he asked U.S. lawmakers. “Well, I think the Irish comedy writer found that out two days ago at Heathrow Airport.”

It was an exaggeration but the sentiment is well-placed. The right to free expression is unequivocal: you either have it, or you are somewhere on a sliding scale towards authoritarianism.

Linehan’s arrest, for the following tweets, suggests we are sliding rather fast. In one, Linehan joked: “If a trans-identified male is in a female-only space he is committing a violent, abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops and if all else fails, punch him in the balls.”

Another mocked a trans protest as a “photo you can smell,” followed by: “I hate them. Misogynists and homophobes. F–k em.”

These remarks may not be to everyone’s taste. Linehan himself later admitted the first was “not one of my best.” But that is besides the point. In a free society he should be at liberty to hold such views openly and without fear of arrest.

That society, however, has not existed for some time. The British police now make around 30 arrests per day for offensive posts on social media. Each year, thousands of people are detained and questioned for messages that could conceivably cause “inconvenience,” “anxiety,” or “annoyance” to others.
In arresting Linehan, the police may have overplayed their hand. Even the prime minister, Sir Keir Starmer, himself skeptical of free expression, admonished them for pursuing tweets over serious crimes.

One hopes the arrest of a comedy writer for jokes, a sign of tyranny that is almost a cliché, proves the wake-up call the country so badly needs.