Well and good. You do understand, I hope, that not all parents are that good?
I mean, you don't need an extensive list of qualifications to be a parent. Basically, you just need to be able to fuck. Literally brain-dead people can do that.
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I mean, you don't need an extensive list of qualifications to be a parent. Basically, you just need to be able to fuck. Literally brain-dead people can do that.
Largest study to date confirms overlap between autism and gender diversity
People who do not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth are three to six times as likely to be autistic as cisgender people are, according to the largest study yet to examine the connection1. Gender-diverse people are also more likely to report autism traits and to suspect they have undiagnosed autism.
Researchers often use ‘gender diverse’ as an umbrella term to describe people whose gender identities — such as transgender, nonbinary or gender-queer — differ from the sex they were assigned at birth. Cisgender, or cis, refers to people whose gender identity and assigned sex match.
The results come from an analysis of five unrelated databases that all include information about autism, mental health and gender.
“All these findings across different datasets tend to tell a similar story,” says study investigator Varun Warrier, research associate at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom.
Autistic people are more likely than neurotypical people to be gender diverse, several studies show, and gender-diverse people are more likely to have autism than are cisgender people2,3.
But most previous studies have probed the relationship among people who sought gender-related medical care — often for gender dysphoria, a condition in which the ‘mismatch’ between gender identity and sex assigned at birth causes significant distress. That cohort doesn’t represent the full scope of gender-diverse people, says Aron Janssen, associate professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University in Chicago, Illinois, who was not involved in the work.
“It’s so vital to understand this question outside of the clinical context,” Janssen says. “A more naturalistic study with this many participants outside of a clinical context really does provide a lot of support for this overlap.”
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People who do not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth are three to six times as likely to be autistic as cisgender people are, according to the largest study yet to examine the connection1. Gender-diverse people are also more likely to report autism traits and to suspect they have undiagnosed autism.
Researchers often use ‘gender diverse’ as an umbrella term to describe people whose gender identities — such as transgender, nonbinary or gender-queer — differ from the sex they were assigned at birth. Cisgender, or cis, refers to people whose gender identity and assigned sex match.
The results come from an analysis of five unrelated databases that all include information about autism, mental health and gender.
“All these findings across different datasets tend to tell a similar story,” says study investigator Varun Warrier, research associate at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom.
Autistic people are more likely than neurotypical people to be gender diverse, several studies show, and gender-diverse people are more likely to have autism than are cisgender people2,3.
But most previous studies have probed the relationship among people who sought gender-related medical care — often for gender dysphoria, a condition in which the ‘mismatch’ between gender identity and sex assigned at birth causes significant distress. That cohort doesn’t represent the full scope of gender-diverse people, says Aron Janssen, associate professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University in Chicago, Illinois, who was not involved in the work.
“It’s so vital to understand this question outside of the clinical context,” Janssen says. “A more naturalistic study with this many participants outside of a clinical context really does provide a lot of support for this overlap.”
Largest study to date confirms overlap between autism and gender diversity
People who do not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth are three to six times as likely to be autistic as cisgender people are.
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This US State Has Passed 3 “Anti-LGBTQ” Bills Into LAWS But You Won’t Believe What They Do..😶
🇺🇸 1000s of people are losing it after north carolina passes 3 “anti lgb” bills into law,The first would ban all trāns girls from competing in female sport...
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I would like to say that’s true for every parent but I know that it’s not, but I’m assuming that it’s true for most!!
The, “We’re Here, we’re Queer, We’re coming for your Children!” Chant rubs me the wrong way as a parent & grandparent.
I googled & The first example I found was from that thing called the “Daily Caller” which apparently is bad, even though it’s video without commentary, so I found a different clip:
They actually said "we're coming for your children"...but it was "just a joke"
Well...we’ve got jokes too!
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Yep, I’m very aware of that, & that’s the way I worded what I worded here above.
Fair enough.
Here you go. It’s exactly the same clip. Different source. Hopefully we’re both home for the day and done work at this point.
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Same situation with Avi Silverberg. I was wrong earlier and he self identified for a week as opposed to 10 minutes after the event. My mistake. Avi complied to the letter for the rules for that sport as they’re currently written & enforced.
This is literally what this Thread is about. Nobody is in this thread to discuss the weather.
Ditto. Earlier I’d stated, “To you, men in women’s sports & trans women in women’s sports are to different things.” & you’d responded:
We were discussing sports specifically. I think the difference here in opinions on this goes back to biological sex and perceived gender in sports.
After chewing on this I might have figured it out. Are the Men’s & Woman’s Divisions based upon their Biological Sex or upon their Perceived Gender??? We might be arguing two different things on this subject.
If you see the Classification being based upon perceived gender (which might even be fluid throughout the day), & I’m seeing it based upon biological sex….which never changes, We might be arguing/debating two different things!
That’s one of Many factors involved, but probably the least significant one.
See, I don’t see the difference between Avi & Anne, so that’s what’s leading me to the conclusion that maybe we’re debating two different things.
In all honesty, somebody here, who lives and breathes sports (& that’s not me) probably already knows this answer, but are the classifications in sport broken down into Female & Male based upon someone’s perceived gender or upon their biological sex? Whoever answers this one, please post a somewhat unbiassed link if it exists to back up what you’re saying.
Lia is a victim of Lia’s choices. The other woman on Lia’s team are also victims of Lia’s choices. What stopped Lia from competing in the classification of Lia’s biological sex? I don’t think anything but I could be wrong. I’m not that invested in this. If somebody can prove me wrong, I’m cool with that. Seriously.
Lia, in the locker room and in the shower and in the pool, regardless of how Lia identifies at any given time, is a 6’+ tall person with a penis & testicles, who was born as a biological male, went through male puberty, is physically bigger and stronger and longer limbed with with all kinds of biological advantages over the other woman on that team for that particular sport.
The woman aren’t competing against the way Lia feels or identifies, but against Lia with a man’s body. If the sport was equestrian riding or something where the physical advantages of being male are cancelled out, then that would be a different thing all together, but in this case, it’s not.
I don’t see what I’m posting as right wing or trans phobic, and you don’t see what you’re posting as an extreme position, either… so again I think we might be debating two different things.That's true, and you're one of the few who I find regardless of your position, you do try to be somewhat polite about it. Even when you post right wing/transphobic BS
Careful….I think we’re touching onto some common ground here. You don’t wanna catch my anti-trans misogynistic right wingyness.
Avi didn’t identify as a trans woman. The way I understand it he identified as female. He also identified that way for a week instead of 10 minutes, so I was incorrect earlier. He followed the rules of that sport and its governing body, to point out the flaws in the program.
Here we agree again! Uh-oh… I concur with your assessment of the situation in that Avi Silverberg is NOT a trans woman.
Anne is transitioning for a couple of decades, and much like Shania Twain, “Man, she feels like a woman!” BUT….
…but is it relevant? I think it all goes back to the classification system for this sport, & is it based upon how somebody feels about their gender, or upon biological sex? I really don’t know the answer to that one either.
I think the idea and the pushback is about a level playing field or at least the perception of one, and in your opinion, it’s lacking regarding Avi Silverberg.
In my opinion, it’s lacking regarding Avi Silverberg & Anne Andres & Lia Whatever & Fallon Fox & so on. Again, we might be arguing or debating two different things.
Ok. Some days I might feel like a racecar driver, but should I be allowed on the Audubon? Again, I think we’re arguing two different things here, and does this go back to biological sex, or perceived gender.
Lia (or Anne, or maybe even Avi at times) might feel like a woman, but…gender wise they all could arguably be women at times I guess…but biologically, not so much.
I think, in competitive sports, all involved become victims of the trans gender woman’s choice to compete against women if it’s removing women from positions that they would’ve obtained without that choice.
Here again I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree. If somebody else loses their position or title or a scholarship, due to Lia’s choices to compete against women instead of men….well, see above.
Ditto. Fallon’s a complete douche-canoe.
I think it’s just very blatant in the situation of trans-woman. In all honesty, I would like to see the female equivalent of Avi Silverberg enter some “Male” classified division of sports, and “identify as a man” for a week (or a day or an hour, whatever) & just crush it!!! As a protest the point things out….But I can’t find any examples of that.
Its too bad there is no such thing as "gender role/ identity" or "social gender construct"
as created by Dr Money. It was a lie then and its still a lie today.
He was a fraud and a pervert.
None of this is reality.
One of the twentieth century’s most controversial sexologists—or “fuckologists,” to use his own memorable term—John Money was considered a trailblazing scientist and sexual libertarian by some, but damned by others as a fraud and a pervert. Money invented the concept of gender in the 1950s, yet fought its uptake by feminists. He backed surgical treatments for transsexuality, but argued that gender roles were set by reproductive capacity. He shaped the treatment of intersex, advocating experimental sex changes for children with ambiguous genitalia. He pioneered drug therapy for sex offenders, yet took an ambivalent stance towards pedophilia. In his most publicized case study, Money oversaw the reassignment of David Reimer as female following a circumcision accident in infancy. Heralded by many as proof that gender is pliable, the case was later discredited when Reimer revealed that he had lived as a male since his early teens.
as created by Dr Money. It was a lie then and its still a lie today.
He was a fraud and a pervert.
None of this is reality.
One of the twentieth century’s most controversial sexologists—or “fuckologists,” to use his own memorable term—John Money was considered a trailblazing scientist and sexual libertarian by some, but damned by others as a fraud and a pervert. Money invented the concept of gender in the 1950s, yet fought its uptake by feminists. He backed surgical treatments for transsexuality, but argued that gender roles were set by reproductive capacity. He shaped the treatment of intersex, advocating experimental sex changes for children with ambiguous genitalia. He pioneered drug therapy for sex offenders, yet took an ambivalent stance towards pedophilia. In his most publicized case study, Money oversaw the reassignment of David Reimer as female following a circumcision accident in infancy. Heralded by many as proof that gender is pliable, the case was later discredited when Reimer revealed that he had lived as a male since his early teens.
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Read about David Reimer. That was a tragedy and a travesty.
Here’s something a little lighter:
Here’s something a little lighter:
As TB pointed out, not all parents are good with their kids sometimes. The reasoning behind 713 to begin with was to give kids who are GLBTQIA+ a 'safe zone' where if they wanted to socially transition, or "test the waters" I guess, they could without fear of it getting to their parent(s) who might react badly to it. They could be themselves.
Nothing officially was done, but respecting things unofficially happens all the time. I mean how many kids get nicknames at school that don't go home to parents?
As for other people deciding - well no, it's the kid deciding, actually. The adults in the situation are just respecting the kid's request and considering the known harm that outing a kid before they're ready can do, respecting the kid is the "lesser" of the "evils" of the situation.
Somebody has daddy issues and will never mature I see. What did you do to disappoint him? If you were anything like you are now I'd be disappointed and turn my back too.
Or worse....you tried to hide it then blamed them (parents) and God(church) for having morals?
Just because you have no spine doesn't mean the rest of the confused autistic kids dont. Its not 1985 any longer. Kids are nothing like you were nor are the parents. You really should have had your own kids instead of all the projection bullshit. You'd be a different far far far happier person.
You want to lash out at all the parents who love their kids because you thought yours didnt love you that is really really fucked up.
Why dont you try forgiving yourself instead of blaming dad.
Or worse....you tried to hide it then blamed them (parents) and God(church) for having morals?
Just because you have no spine doesn't mean the rest of the confused autistic kids dont. Its not 1985 any longer. Kids are nothing like you were nor are the parents. You really should have had your own kids instead of all the projection bullshit. You'd be a different far far far happier person.
You want to lash out at all the parents who love their kids because you thought yours didnt love you that is really really fucked up.
Why dont you try forgiving yourself instead of blaming dad.
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I would like to say that’s true for every parent but I know that it’s not, but I’m assuming that it’s true for most!!
The, “We’re Here, we’re Queer, We’re coming for your Children!” Chant rubs me the wrong way as a parent & grandparent.
I googled & The first example I found was from that thing called the “Daily Caller” which apparently is bad, even though it’s video without commentary, so I found a different clip:
They actually said "we're coming for your children"...but it was "just a joke"
Well...we’ve got jokes too!
Yep, I’m very aware of that, & that’s the way I worded what I worded here above.
Fair enough.
Here you go. It’s exactly the same clip. Different source. Hopefully we’re both home for the day and done work at this point.
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Same situation with Avi Silverberg. I was wrong earlier and he self identified for a week as opposed to 10 minutes after the event. My mistake. Avi complied to the letter for the rules for that sport as they’re currently written & enforced.
This is literally what this Thread is about. Nobody is in this thread to discuss the weather.
Ditto. Earlier I’d stated, “To you, men in women’s sports & trans women in women’s sports are to different things.” & you’d responded:
We were discussing sports specifically. I think the difference here in opinions on this goes back to biological sex and perceived gender in sports.
After chewing on this I might have figured it out. Are the Men’s & Woman’s Divisions based upon their Biological Sex or upon their Perceived Gender??? We might be arguing two different things on this subject.
If you see the Classification being based upon perceived gender (which might even be fluid throughout the day), & I’m seeing it based upon biological sex….which never changes, We might be arguing/debating two different things!
That’s one of Many factors involved, but probably the least significant one.
See, I don’t see the difference between Avi & Anne, so that’s what’s leading me to the conclusion that maybe we’re debating two different things.
Whoever answers this one, please post a somewhat unbiassed link if it exists to back up what you’re saying.
Lia is a victim of Lia’s choices. The other woman on Lia’s team are also victims of Lia’s choices. What stopped Lia from competing in the classification of Lia’s biological sex? I don’t think anything but I could be wrong. I’m not that invested in this. If somebody can prove me wrong, I’m cool with that. Seriously.
Lia, in the locker room and in the shower and in the pool, regardless of how Lia identifies at any given time, is a 6’+ tall person with a penis & testicles, who was born as a biological male, went through male puberty, is physically bigger and stronger and longer limbed with with all kinds of biological advantages over the other woman on that team for that particular sport.
The woman aren’t competing against the way Lia feels or identifies, but against Lia with a man’s body. If the sport was equestrian riding or something where the physical advantages of being male are cancelled out, then that would be a different thing all together, but in this case, it’s not.
I don’t see what I’m posting as right wing or trans phobic, and you don’t see what you’re posting as an extreme position, either… so again I think we might be debating two different things.
Careful….I think we’re touching onto some common ground here. You don’t wanna catch my anti-trans misogynistic right wingyness.
Avi didn’t identify as a trans woman. The way I understand it he identified as female. He also identified that way for a week instead of 10 minutes, so I was incorrect earlier. He followed the rules of that sport and its governing body, to point out the flaws in the program.
Here we agree again! Uh-oh… I concur with your assessment of the situation in that Avi Silverberg is NOT a trans woman.
Anne is transitioning for a couple of decades, and much like Shania Twain, “Man, she feels like a woman!” BUT….
…but is it relevant? I think it all goes back to the classification system for this sport, & is it based upon how somebody feels about their gender, or upon biological sex? I really don’t know the answer to that one either.
I think the idea and the pushback is about a level playing field or at least the perception of one, and in your opinion, it’s lacking regarding Avi Silverberg.
In my opinion, it’s lacking regarding Avi Silverberg & Anne Andres & Lia Whatever & Fallon Fox & so on. Again, we might be arguing or debating two different things.
Ok. Some days I might feel like a racecar driver, but should I be allowed on the Audubon? Again, I think we’re arguing two different things here, and does this go back to biological sex, or perceived gender.
Lia (or Anne, or maybe even Avi at times) might feel like a woman, but…gender wise they all could arguably be women at times I guess…but biologically, not so much.
I think overall we're a 'agree to disagree' in a lot of it. And that's fine in the end.
I will say this though, when you asked: "In all honesty, somebody here, who lives and breathes sports (& that’s not me) probably already knows this answer, but are the classifications in sport broken down into Female & Male based upon someone’s perceived gender or upon their biological sex?" I thought of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caster_Semenya
She's a woman, lived her life as a woman, but has high testosterone because she's intersexed. She's a woman, competing against women. Even biologically; but for a quirk of hormones. And as stated in the article, she can't take blockers to lower her T because they make her sick. So... where does she compete? Where her biology says she should, or where hormones say she should?
And why would she be different than a trans woman in that case?
There are no Trans women. Its just men playing the role of women.
Works for me.
Sad story. Must have had a tough life with that extremely rare condition. From the above link:
Semenya is an intersex woman, with 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency,[9] assigned female at birth.
She didn’t’ chose her gender or biological sex, but it was done for her the day she was born.
I’m still not convinced that we’re not debating two different things and thus the extremes in opinion.
Question above & answer below.
Competitors in these sports aren’t competing against each others “feelings” but against each other’s bodies, and this Caster Semenya didn’t ‘chose’ to be male or female (which is a significant difference between herself and a trans woman). She’s taken her lot in life and making the best of it.
From what you’re saying she is not taking hormone blockers because they make her sick, but she is still not taking hormone blockers, so what’s happening in her body is happening naturally, not pharmaceutically.
Mike Tyson didn’t choose to have fists the size of hams, or a NBA basketball player to be 6’8” tall with size 18 shoes, but it happened and they made the best of it.
Rational thought isnt within her rhealm. Its all belief and feeling. There is zero "man" in Serryah.
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