2nd Canadian teen may face beheading in Saudi Arabia

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If Canada was feared and respected anywhere in the world, this beheading would never happen. But,you can't get respect or fear when there is not even one weapon of mass destruction in our poor arsenal.
 

lone wolf

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If Canada was feared and respected anywhere in the world, this beheading would never happen. But,you can't get respect or fear when there is not even one weapon of mass destruction in our poor arsenal.

Ahhh ... but we have something even better than that: Endless repetitions of.....

Beneath this snowy mantle cold and clean
The unborn grass lies waiting for its coat to turn to green
The snowbird sings the song he always sings
And speaks to me of flowers that will bloom again in spring

When I was young my heart was young then, too
Anything that it would tell me, that's the thing that I would do
But now I feel such emptiness within
For the thing that I want most in life's the thing that I can't win

CHORUS
Spread your tiny wings and fly away
And take the snow back with you
Where it came from on that day
The one I love forever is untrue
And if I could you know that I would
Fly away with you

The breeze along the river seems to say
That he'll only break my heart again should I decide to stay
So, little snowbird, take me with you when you go
To that land of gentle breezes where the peaceful waters flow

CHORUS

Yeah, if I could I know that I would fl-y-y-y-y away with you

Gene MacLellan
 
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wallyj

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Praxius,pray tell where the racial hatred is? I do not like the death cult.Islam is not a race. You people throw the race card out every time you feel threatened. Grow up.
 

lone wolf

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Praxius,pray tell where the racial hatred is? I do not like the death cult.Islam is not a race. You people throw the race card out every time you feel threatened. Grow up.

"You people...."

Isn't that kind of an "I'm-gonna-stereotype-you-but-it's-alright-because-it's-me" intro for a statement? What people?
 

earth_as_one

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Sweet little Omar was shot in the back,while running away,after throwing a grenade that killed one of the soldiers. He has admitted that. The soldiers did the only logical thing in that situation. They were not going to let him escape or find another grenade,common sense. They were not going to ask him if he was a canadian first. They were not going to ask him for I.D. before shooting.Do you live in the same fantasy world as Quandary? Omar has not been tortured for 6 years. His lawyers could only come up with him crying the blues when he found out that CSIS was not going to save his terrorist behind like Chretien did with his dear old daddy,and the ten minutes or so that was broadcast was the worst from 7 hours of videotape! He had his sleep interrupted for a week before his interrogation,something like living with a new-born. Unpleasant,but not torture.The case you cite about Harper's attitude towards the death penalty,I am very familiar with. Ron Smith,scumbag,marched two young natives who had picked him up hitch-hiking ,and shot them in the head. He did this so he could feel how it is to kill someone. They should have hung him years ago when he wanted to be put to death. You want to bring this scum back to Canada and let him go out on parole,I don't. Join the real world,some people do not deserve to live in it.

Lets assume Khadr is a war criminal because he killed an American soldier during a battle when the compound where he was living was attacked. How many other soldiers are also war criminals?

Now that its official US policy to torture its adversaries, how likely is it that America's adversaries will fight to the death rather than surrender? Also what kind of treatment can our soldiers expect if they are captured?

I disagree with the death penalty. Its a form of cruel and unusual punnishment. Its more cruel and unusual than just whipping people or chopping off their hands. Also once this barbaric punishment has been carried out, you can't undo it if the person is later exonerated by new evidence, like DNA. Likely many innocent people have been executed by the US and the Saudis and other countries which practice capital punishment as tacitly approved by the Harper government.

Praxius pretty much summed up the case against Khadr. There isn't one... given the falsified evidence/testimony and confessions extracted by torture. This new American judicial system is about as humane and fair as "The Inquisition".

Khadr's case really is quite different that the Kohails. What happened is more or less known in their case. Confessions weren't extracted through torture. Even though they've been treated more humanely and fairly than Khadr, that's not saying much. Its pretty bad when the US can't even meet the low standard of humaneness and fairness set by the Saudis.
 
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wallyj

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"You people...."

Isn't that kind of an "I'm-gonna-stereotype-you-but-it's-alright-because-it's-me" intro for a statement? What people?
OK,I stand corrected. I should have said the defenders of Islam,the religion of peace,instead of 'you people'. There,feel better now.This issue of denigrating people by calling them racist when you disagree is wrong and immature. I read many posts that blame the Israeli/Jews for most of the problems in the Middle East. I have yet to see anyone call these posters racists because they are against Judaism. Can you see the parallel? ....As for Omar's confession,I have done a quick search and have found many accounts of him recanting his original confession,but the original one may only come out at his trial.Which,BTW,his lawyers are doing everything in the book to avoid. I wonder why?
 

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Saying racist is easier on the ego than saying hmm, you have a point and I may have to evaluate my position. I want to put in for a dime for every time I've been tagged for just walking that path somewhere through the middle....
 

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Let me put this forth. Should he be treated different then Khadr?

In my view, if Khard is found guilty of war crimes he should face the same punishment as this 'Canadian". Beheading for all?
 

wallyj

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I disagree. Omar and the Saudi twosome should be punished,but not death. Omar escaped the death penalty out in the field.Let's not kill him now. I have no ,absolutely no sympathy for him,let him rot in a cell and read his book of hate for solace. The two Canadians in Saudi,will be punished severely,but manslaughter,by our standards,does not warrant the death panalty. As for that fellow in Montana,Ronald Smith,hang him.
 

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Re Ronald Smith:

The U.S. Supreme Court's decision left in place a ruling by the
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Montana Supreme Court last December that refused to overturn[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Smith's death sentence for the kidnapping and murders of Thomas[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Running Rabbit and Harvey Mad Man in August 1982.[/SIZE][/FONT]

Those are some strange last names.
 

wallyj

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An aside. Since the uproar over 'sweet little Omar' and the prison break in Kandahar,the troops are not taking too many detainees any more,are they? This should be a lesson to the bleeding hearts,if you put unreasonable expectations on men who are at risk of death daily,they will do what is necessary to survive, damn your suburban armchair hooey,full speed ahead . You reap what you sow.
 

wallyj

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Re Ronald Smith:

The U.S. Supreme Court's decision left in place a ruling by the
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Montana Supreme Court last December that refused to overturn[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Smith's death sentence for the kidnapping and murders of Thomas[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Running Rabbit and Harvey Mad Man in August 1982.[/SIZE][/FONT]

Those are some strange last names.
I really hope that you are being facetious. They are the names of two trusting natives that Ronald Smith shot in the back of the head. But hey,I am the resident racist,what do I know?
 

Kreskin

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I've never see a real last name of Mad Man. Just pointed out it is strange. Did he earn the name or was it inherited at birth?
 

wallyj

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There is a lot of names that have been taken or given to or by the natives. My X's last name always made me smile. The children,who kept dear old daddy's last name,was even more ludricous. I will not put them here for obvious reasons. But even though the Backfat women have one of the worst last names,they are a joy to look at.Meatface is up there with the worst,I know a woman who has the last name of Noname. My last name makes some people cringe,but not for the same reasons.