2016 Presidential Campaign

hillary rodham clinton vs donald john trump who will win?

  • hillary rodham clinton

    Votes: 12 40.0%
  • donald john trump

    Votes: 18 60.0%

  • Total voters
    30

coldstream

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I watched Trump's Gettysburgh Address today and thought it to be an excellent, uncompromised articulation of the policy prescriptions that have actuated his candidacy from its beginning.

It provides, imho, a positive and constructive path for America to rebuild its industry, secure its borders, combat political corruption (in government and commerce), reestablish a moral foundation to its society and to bring back equitably shared American prosperity.

Trump is above all a pragmatist, not an ideologue. He lacks a philosophical supernatural structure to his arguments.. but he knows right from wrong, con jobs from reality. His opponent is almost a pure ideologue, dependent on New Age principles that have discarded all sense of moral absolutes or any sense of hope. She simply concedes to the current economic and social malaise as the inevitable entropy of economic and cultural darwinism. And to a prospect of unending imperial 'small wars' and investment of American blood in futile foreign adventures. She's simply given up.

I am cautiously optimistic that Trump will win. His outspent campaign has billboards throughout America.. in Rusted out Steel Smelters, Boarded up Mines, Derelict Textile Mills, rotting, depopulated inner cities, and workforce where 25% of adults have no employment and all but a few of the rest are struggling in insecure, benefit deficient, pensionless retail jobs.

Trump's vision is that of an outsider. It is nationalistic in terms of trade, dirigiste in terms of providing an equitable playing field to all, progessive in terms of taxation. It's not perfect, but its better than the empty promises Clinton has delivered, much like the Presidents of the last 40 years, who have never been able to deliver on any of them.
 
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gerryh

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I watched Trump's Gettysburgh Address today and thought it to be an excellent, uncompromised articulation of the policy prescriptions that have actuated his candidacy from its beginning.

It provides, imho, a positive and constructive path for America to rebuild its industry, secure its borders, combat political corruption (in government and commerce), reestablish a moral foundation to its society and to bring back equitably shared American prosperity.

Trump is above all a pragmatist, not an ideologue. He lacks a philosophical supernatural structure to his arguments.. but he knows right from wrong, con jobs from reality. His opponent is almost a pure ideologue, dependent on New Age principles that have discarded all sense of moral absolutes or any sense of hope. She simply concedes to the malaise of the current economic and social condition as the inevitable entropy of economic and cultural darwinism. An to a prospect of unending imperial 'small wars' and investment of American blood in futile foreign adventures. She's simply given up.

I am cautiously optomistic that Trump will win. His outspent campaign has billboards throughout America.. in Rusted out Steel Smelters, Boarded up Mines, Derelict Textile Mills, rotting, depopulated inner cities, and workforce where 25% of adults have no employment and all but a few of the rest are struggling in insecure, benefit deficient, pensionless retail jobs.

Trump's vision is that of an outsider. It is nationalistic in terms of trade, dirigiste in terms of providing an equitable playing field to all, progessive in terms of taxation. It's not perfect, but its better than the empty promises Clinton has delivered, much like the Presidents of the last 40 years, who have never been able to deliver on any of them.



You're kidding, right? What drugs are you on?
 

coldstream

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You're kidding, right? What drugs are you on?


no i'm not kidding .. i'm pretty sober right now, might get 12 pack of strong beer or a litre of rye later on.. but likely not.. it's kind of an occasional indulgence for me these days. What are you on Gerry?.. some kind of psychedelic i'd guess.. completely reality bending. :)
 

personal touch

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Riots?It is all exciting,trying to guess where all this's American politics is going,this is what makes the anticipation of fun to come
Donald is rogue,can't wait to see his next move,like a movie here in Canada,good watching,Melania has not looked impressed the few past engagements,feel sorry for her
 

pgs

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You're kidding, right? What drugs are you on?
Can you dispute the words ? Do you think Hillary will deliver anything other than what Coldstream said ?
Do you think America has prospered in the last 40 years ?

How do you like living in the richest country in the world ? You do yet you and the rest of us are deep in debt and adding to it . How have our political betters helped this ? ( other then creating the mess )

no i'm not kidding .. i'm pretty sober right now, might get 12 pack of strong beer or a litre of rye later on.. but likely not.. it's kind of an occasional indulgence for me these days. What are you on Gerry?.. some kind of psychedelic i'd guess.. completely reality bending. :)
It is fall time here on the left coast and the magic mushrooms are in full bloom .
 

JLM

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Trump (crazier than a sh*t house rat that he is) is the only hope. That other thing isn't going to deliver anything beneficial (except to her and Billy). When I was working (almost a century ago) I was quite involved in short listing, interviewing and selecting qualified candidates to fill positions. Sometimes no one qualified applied so we had to start the process over until we did find someone suitable. That's what they should be doing in D.C. right now. Turf these f**king flakes!
 

Cliffy

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darkbeaver

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It's hard to see a win for Americans in this election circus. I'm quite certain that there will be social upheaval in any case and coupled with the war at the end of empire. Of course a controlled step down and back for that empire seems very difficult to set in motion because of the elite baggage who will depend on chaos to effect thier salvation from the gallows.
 

Remington1

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With so many disadvantaged people coming out to support Trump and him joking about rigged elections, would it be conceivable that Obama will have to enforce martial law? which of course means he would be forced to retain power for a while?
 

darkbeaver

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I don't think he's joking about the rigging rather I think he's telegraphing his intent to persist through the crap to the facts. I think he's in a very dangerous place right now. He's made enemies of very wealthy accident builders. The independent polls have him way out in front of the witch. I hope and pray that aliens irradiate that nation with common sence before they all go bat shjt.

Westworld: A-list $100 million story of ‘human livestock’ used for ‘violent delights’ of wealthy elites becoming aware of their slavery to hidden .01% ‘programmers’

Posted on October 23, 2016 by Carl Herman
“These violent delights have violent ends
And in their triumph die, like fire and powder,
Which as they kiss, consume.” ~ Romeo and Juliet, Act 2, Scene 6



The analogy of the creatures of Westworld existing as animals for the work and pleasure of “hidden masters” is relatively easy to present, document, and prove to anyone with intellectual integrity and moral courage to escape their programming:

  • The US is a literal rogue state empire led by neocolonial looting liars. The history is uncontested and taught to anyone taking comprehensive courses. If anyone has any refutations of this professional academic factual claim for any of this easy-to-read and documented content, please provide it.
  • US ongoing lie-started and Orwellian-illegal Wars of Aggression require all US military and government to refuse all war orders because there are no lawful orders for obviously unlawful wars. Officers are required to arrest those who issue obviously unlawful orders. And again, those of us working for this area of justice are aware of zero attempts to refute this with, “War law states (a, b, c), so the wars are legal because (d, e, f).” All we receive is easy-to-reveal bull****.
  • When Americans are told an election is defined by touching a computer screen without a countable receipt that can be verified, they are being told a criminal lie to allow election fraud. This is self-evident, but Princeton, Stanford, and the President of the American Statistical Association are among the leaders pointing to the obvious (and here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here). Again, no professional would/can argue an election is legitimate when there is nothing for anyone to count.
  • The top three benefits each of monetary reform and public banking total ~$1,000,000 for the average American household, and would be received nearly instantly. Please read that twice. Now look to verify for yourself.
Please consider Dr. King’s 2-minute message to you admonishing that “silence is betrayal” (full 1967 speech to end the Vietnam War):


Demanding arrests as the required and obvious public response rather than ‘acting’ for more abuse:

You have another option than playing day by day in a tragic-comedy of .01% wanna-be masters. Let’s be clear on the crimes we endure, which categories include:

  1. Wars of Aggression (the worst crime a nation can commit).
  2. Likely treason for lying to US military, ordering unlawful attack and invasions of foreign lands, and causing thousands of US military deaths.
  3. Crimes Against Humanity for ongoing intentional policy of poverty that’s killed over 400 million human beings just since 1995 (~75% children; more deaths than from all wars in Earth’s recorded history).
US military, law enforcement, and all with Oaths to support and defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, face an endgame choice:

In just 90 seconds, former US Marine Ken O’Keefe powerfully states how you may choose to voice “very obvious solutions”: arrest the criminal leaders (video starts at 20:51, then finishes this episode of Cross Talk):


Do you have the intellectual integrity and moral courage to at least act with the honesty of a child to speak the Emperor’s New Clothes truth?
Or do you prefer programmed and stupefied denial to challenges despite available expert evidence, blind belief in dictates, and sheepish existence?
Choose carefully. Life will honor your choices.


 

darkbeaver

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BuzzFeed Hilariously Edits Its Own Poll Showing Huge Support For Trump: BuzzFeed recently published a presidential preference poll for their readership to take part in. A day or so later, they felt the need to “update” it because they felt the results “no longer accurately reflects the opinions of real people.” Take three guesses as to what the results were showing. Polls are something that many media outlets do. They’re a quick thing that will catch people’s attention during a heated presidential cycle and will hopefully get the public to click on the outlet’s website. Undoubtedly, BuzzFeed also did this figuring that the “poll” would have a strong showing for Hillary Clinton, showing given the site’s tendency to That, however, didn’t turn out to be the case. Republican nominee Donald Trump is dominating in the “poll” with 11.5 million votes, followed up by “Other” at 161,000 votes, “I still haven’t decided” at 152,500 votes, and finally Clinton in dead last at 70,300 votes.

HILLARY’S FOLLOWERS IN ABSOLUTE PANIC AS LIBERAL MEDIA AND UNITED NATIONS ATTACK DONALD TRUMP – InvestmentWatch
 

JLM

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I keep hearing this fishwife voice on the radio umpteen times a day. How that is conducive to being President I'll never know. Surely someone besides me is getting sick and tired of it!