2016 Presidential Campaign

hillary rodham clinton vs donald john trump who will win?

  • hillary rodham clinton

    Votes: 12 40.0%
  • donald john trump

    Votes: 18 60.0%

  • Total voters
    30

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New polls show Donald Trump trailing badly in key swing states - Politics - CBC News
 

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Donald Trump blames the media for his own failure to run a general election campaign

Donald Trump blames the media for his own failure to run a general election campaign

Donald Trump's always-cranky assessment of the media has been amended a bit this weekend, thanks to a New York Times article reiterating questions about Trump's ability to suddenly emerge from his primary-campaign cocoon as a general election butterfly.

At a rally Saturday night, Trump disparaged the Times and reiterated his objection to how his events are covered. He continued the theme on Sunday morning on Twitter.

Donald Trump's always-cranky assessment of the media has been amended a bit this weekend, thanks to a New York Times article reiterating questions about Trump's ability to suddenly emerge from his primary-campaign cocoon as a general election butterfly.

At a rally Saturday night, Trump disparaged the Times and reiterated his objection to how his events are covered. He continued the theme on Sunday morning on Twitter.

It's that second tweet that's most interesting to me. (In part because Trump has been talking about the "failing New York Times" and complaining about how crowd size isn't covered for a long time.) (Oh, incidentally: The news media talks about his crowds regularly.)

So let's assess this: "If the disgusting and corrupt media covered me honestly and didn't put false meaning into the words I say, I would be beating Hillary by 20%."

The "false meaning" complaint is pretty clearly about how his "Second Amendment people" comments were reported. On CNN on Sunday morning, Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, complained to Jake Tapper about that coverage, repeating the campaign's insistence that Trump meant that gun owners could go vote to ensure a Trump victory. That clearly wasn't what Trump was saying in the moment, since he was talking about judicial appointments after a Clinton win in the election.

Regardless, it's worth asking what has changed from the primary to the general election in terms of Trump's coverage. I'd suggest that not much has; in the primaries, he got a lot of extensive coverage of his rallies and a lot of scrutiny of the things that he said at them. But the polling showed him doing well, holding a lead.

What has changed is the polls we're looking at, from primary voters to general. Trump got a core group of strong Republican supporters early in the primaries and held them. They responded well to his style and his message. He only cobbled together a majority of the party's electorate at the end of the race; he ended up with less than a majority of the Republican vote.

That's not the measuring stick anymore. That core of support is enough to keep him at about 40 percent in general election polls, but the media coverage that earned him his primary wins hasn't done much to expand his base of support past that.

So Trump is doing the same thing but not winning. And since media is all he's doing, the media gets the blame.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ampaign/?postshare=3911471195924266&tid=ss_tw
 

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Re: Donald Trump blames the media for his own failure to run a general election campa

Well, you first problem is the NYT. What used to be the "paper of record" is now nothing more than a left-wing wank-fest.

As for CNN, they lost ALL objectivity when the owner announced they're doing all they can for Hillary in this campaign.
They might as well call themselves the Clinton News Network.
 

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Re: Donald Trump blames the media for his own failure to run a general election campa

Donald Trump blames the media for his own failure to run a general election campaign

Donald Trump's always-cranky assessment of the media has been amended a bit this weekend, thanks to a New York Times article reiterating questions about Trump's ability to suddenly emerge from his primary-campaign cocoon as a general election butterfly.

At a rally Saturday night, Trump disparaged the Times and reiterated his objection to how his events are covered. He continued the theme on Sunday morning on Twitter.

Donald Trump's always-cranky assessment of the media has been amended a bit this weekend, thanks to a New York Times article reiterating questions about Trump's ability to suddenly emerge from his primary-campaign cocoon as a general election butterfly.

At a rally Saturday night, Trump disparaged the Times and reiterated his objection to how his events are covered. He continued the theme on Sunday morning on Twitter.

It's that second tweet that's most interesting to me. (In part because Trump has been talking about the "failing New York Times" and complaining about how crowd size isn't covered for a long time.) (Oh, incidentally: The news media talks about his crowds regularly.)

So let's assess this: "If the disgusting and corrupt media covered me honestly and didn't put false meaning into the words I say, I would be beating Hillary by 20%."

The "false meaning" complaint is pretty clearly about how his "Second Amendment people" comments were reported. On CNN on Sunday morning, Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, complained to Jake Tapper about that coverage, repeating the campaign's insistence that Trump meant that gun owners could go vote to ensure a Trump victory. That clearly wasn't what Trump was saying in the moment, since he was talking about judicial appointments after a Clinton win in the election.

Regardless, it's worth asking what has changed from the primary to the general election in terms of Trump's coverage. I'd suggest that not much has; in the primaries, he got a lot of extensive coverage of his rallies and a lot of scrutiny of the things that he said at them. But the polling showed him doing well, holding a lead.

What has changed is the polls we're looking at, from primary voters to general. Trump got a core group of strong Republican supporters early in the primaries and held them. They responded well to his style and his message. He only cobbled together a majority of the party's electorate at the end of the race; he ended up with less than a majority of the Republican vote.

That's not the measuring stick anymore. That core of support is enough to keep him at about 40 percent in general election polls, but the media coverage that earned him his primary wins hasn't done much to expand his base of support past that.

So Trump is doing the same thing but not winning. And since media is all he's doing, the media gets the blame.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ampaign/?postshare=3911471195924266&tid=ss_tw
Why don't you post the one about Hillary getting booed off the stage by Latino's in California ?
 

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So, yeah, Rudy Guiliani (sp?) has just stated that there were NO successful radical Islamic terrorist attacks in the US until Obama became president.


This will be interesting.
 

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So, yeah, Rudy Guiliani (sp?) has just stated that there were NO successful radical Islamic terrorist attacks in the US until Obama became president.


This will be interesting.
Barn burner of a speech by Trump last night . Bet you aren't interested in listening .