199 Reasons to NOT vote Liberal

[Omicron]

The liberal party can't even elect a credible leader, how in heaven's name do they think they can win an election. Fact is they can't and won't - their credibilty with the Canadian electorate is gone and Iggy is their biggest problem. Wonder if he has contingency plans to scoot back to the 'republic he loves' ?

Iggy's only problem is that he's too smart.

I've read his stuff, and it's very good, but he is not suited to be conducting a confrontational system of government elected by zombie's feeding on hate-ads.

He'd be better as a diplomat to one of the more powerful nations, like the US or the UK or France.

In fact, the most qualified meat-and-potatoes actually-govern-the-nation leader would be Jack Layton, but I know the concept of having a PM who actually does the job is way beyond a zombie's comprehension.

 

[Chiliagon]

Re: 199 Reasons to NOT vo

Well, I don't think Harper is scary, but if you want to be a Liberal patsy.....



True. One point



Nobody is arguing over the legitimacy of same sex unions. Nobody. Essentially, the Conservatives will allow a free vote on whether these unions should be called "marriage" or not. )yawn)



You mean they would do worse on Softwood Lumber? And they don't "support" the Republicans.



Don't like the sleazeball myself. He is not running, reportedly because Harper wouldn't sign his nomination papers.



All quite simply untrue. Go read the platform.

Any implementation of any policy regarding two tier health care or abortion would be instant political suicide.

Why would any party do that?



You've got to be kidding.

Currently, the Liberals have parachuted a candidate into Toronto and claimed he gained the nomination by acclamation (a lie), Dingwall is ducking a summons, $40 million are still missing in adscam, the Liberals won't tell which MPs from Quebec received hundreds of thousands of illegal election money, their newest lapdog "ethics commissioner" is under a cloud, and there is strong evidence they have indulged in insider trading concerning income trusts.

That's not their record, that's right now.

If you want to talk about their record.......well, APEC, Beaudoiun, HRDC, gun registry, subversion of the RCMP into a Party police force, Adscam, and on and on and on.

They make dear old Lyin' Brian look like a Saint.

prove to me that they don't support the Republicans?

funny 199 reasons, yet I still will vote Liberal.

 

[Bar Sinister]

The liberal party can't even elect a credible leader, how in heaven's name do they think they can win an election. Fact is they can't and won't - their credibilty with the Canadian electorate is gone and Iggy is their biggest problem. Wonder if he has contingency plans to scoot back to the 'republic he loves' ?

What's not credible about Ignatieff? Given the fact that he has not had a chance to govern that is pure conjecture. It was actually nice to see the liberals choose someone who was not part of the Liberal rat pack or some pretty boy like Harper. Still doesn't mean I will vote Liberal though.

 

[JLM]

Iggy's only problem is that he's too smart.

I've read his stuff, and it's very good, but he is not suited to be conducting a confrontational system of government elected by zombie's feeding on hate-ads.

He'd be better as a diplomat to one of the more powerful nations, like the US or the UK or France.

In fact, the most qualified meat-and-potatoes actually-govern-the-nation leader would be Jack Layton, but I know the concept of having a PM who actually does the job is way beyond a zombie's comprehension.

But not smart enough to be credible. :lol:

 

[Cliffy]

But not smart enough to be credible. :lol:

Seems that he might just not be credible to conservatives and the conservative media, from what I'm seeing. But to Liberals and the Liberal media, Harper is not credible. Choices, choices....

 

[JLM]

Seems that he might just not be credible to conservatives and the conservative media, from what I'm seeing. But to Liberals and the Liberal media, Harper is not credible. Choices, choices....

I don't apply any political labels to myself except maybe "doubtful"- none of them are particularly credible about anything- I think smart voters vote for the one they figure they will survive best under.
:smile:

 

[DaSleeper]

Re: 199 Reasons to NOT vo

prove to me that they don't support the Republicans?

funny 199 reasons, yet I still will vote Liberal.

 

[Cliffy]

Re: 199 Reasons to NOT vo

Ya! Get rid of Harper.

And don't vote Liberal.

 

[talloola]

1. Cancelling the Sea King replacement
Leclerc because it is "not in the public interest to jeopardize the current investment in the investigation MASIS -- or Materiel Acquisition Support Information System -- started in 1997 as a $147-million undertaking. What began as a focused effort to cover a single equipment category in each of the navy, army and air force soon mushroomed. By 2003, Defence officials estimated MASIS would be in place by 2006 at a cost of $325 million, more than twice its forecast budget. A full introduction of the complex software has now been extended to 2011. The heavily censored May 2005 internal audit, released under the Access to Information Act, catalogues a litany of "revised planned milestones.'' "The prime contract has been amended six times, each time increasing amounts for professional service fees,'' it says. (CP, The Record, October 24, 2005)
197. Hospitality and travel expenses of executives at CMHC (Journal de Montréal, October 24, 2005)
198. Questions about Squamish land deal lease (The Province, October 26, 2005)
199. Liberals handling of tainted water at Kashechewan First Nation

The sponsorship scandel was enough for me all by itself, and along with that, one would just have
to see a picture of the present leader of the liberal party.

I am a NDP voter, who will vote for the conservatives to get a majority, to keep the liberals down.

I am totally fed up with politics in general, so now I play these little games at the poll.

 

[JLM]

The sponsorship scandel was enough for me all by itself, and along with that, one would just have
to see a picture of the present leader of the liberal party.

I am a NDP voter, who will vote for the conservatives to get a majority, to keep the liberals down.

I am totally fed up with politics in general, so now I play these little games at the poll.

You see the picture as well as anyone, I suppose things in Canada could be better but they could also be a hell of a lot worse and I can't for the life of me see them being better under Ignatieff, especially if he's teamed up with Duceppe and Layton. Duceppe wants to divide the country and Layton is a lame duck. The sad part is $300 million is about to be squandered for very little change.

 

[Cliffy]

You see the picture as well as anyone, I suppose things in Canada could be better but they could also be a hell of a lot worse

Ya, we could be living in the US and have to put up with their Murder and Mayhem type of politics. The difference between ours and theirs is like amateur and professional wrestling.

 

[Mowich]

Iggy's only problem is that he's too smart.

I've read his stuff, and it's very good, but he is not suited to be conducting a confrontational system of government elected by zombie's feeding on hate-ads.

He'd be better as a diplomat to one of the more powerful nations, like the US or the UK or France.

In fact, the most qualified meat-and-potatoes actually-govern-the-nation leader would be Jack Layton, but I know the concept of having a PM who actually does the job is way beyond a zombie's comprehension.

I heard Iggy lecture during the CBC's Massey Hall lecture series. He is an impressive speaker and I agreed with him on some of the topics. That said, he should have stayed in school or on the lecture circuit as he is not at all suited for politics and that includes the post of Ambassador to any nation.

Qualified? Jackie Boy? What makes you think he is 'qualified' for the job - he can't even win a majority of the Canadian electorate to his side. I don't doubt that given the chance - which will never, ever happen in Canada, he would probably be the very epitome of kindness and compassion as PM. Trouble is that kindness and compassion is fine to a point but when you are running a country the size of Canada, you gotta have the cojones when the need arises, and I just don't think Jack has what he needs.

Gotta go, the Canadiens are playing the Bruins.

 

[talloola]

You see the picture as well as anyone, I suppose things in Canada could be better but they could also be a hell of a lot worse and I can't for the life of me see them being better under Ignatieff, especially if he's teamed up with Duceppe and Layton. Duceppe wants to divide the country and Layton is a lame duck. The sad part is $300 million is about to be squandered for very little change.

you are probably right, but at least if he has a small majority, it will keep the others from all of
that ganging up, (when they hate each other anyway) to screw him, just because.
it's all very sickening.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

People need to get over all the nastiness that went on due to the sovereignty fight, do you think the PQ and Bloc were fighting a clean fight. What the Liberals did was part of an all-or-nothing battle for the future of the nation and they came within a hairs width(politically) of losing. They could have done better and they could have done worse, a lot of what goes on regarding the Liberals is like people talking about what they would have done to win WW II better. The fact we're still here talking about a future for Canada is in large part due to the Liberals.

I'm voting for Ignatief and the Liberals because imperfect as he is and they are, he's not trying to present himself as some annointed saviour which really turns me off Harper and the conservatives.

 

[Sparrow]

People need to get over all the nastiness that went on due to the sovereignty fight, do you think the PQ and Bloc were fighting a clean fight. What the Liberals did was part of an all-or-nothing battle for the future of the nation and they came within a hairs width(politically) of losing. They could have done better and they could have done worse, a lot of what goes on regarding the Liberals is like people talking about what they would have done to win WW II better. The fact we're still here talking about a future for Canada is in large part due to the Liberals.

I'm voting for Ignatief and the Liberals because imperfect as he is and they are, he's not trying to present himself as some annointed saviour which really turns me off Harper and the conservatives.

You are right, I endured it. The fight was nasty, it even split up families. I was working at that time, was harassed and continuously preached to because they knew that I would vote NO. Finally I got fed up and told the it would take a miracle for me to believe the garbage the PQ and Bloc were spewing. I as a Canadian (who lives in Quebec) am glad the government did whatever was needed to keep us in Canada.

 

[Omicron]

But not smart enough to be credible. :lol:

Pearson had the same problem.

The sponsorship scandel was enough for me all by itself [...]

Then how come you never noticed that:

1) The Sponsorship Scandal was rooted in Chretien, such that Martin was not in charge as PM when it happened,

2) Everyone chose to blame Martin, the only minister of finance to actually start paying down the debt, and that,

3) In fact, it was the Minister of TBS (Treasury Board Secretariat) who was on the hook for that?

You never noticed that the Minister of TBS resigned the day after the Sponsorship Scandal came out, did you?

Martin got targeted because he actually *was* trying to do the job, which pisses off everyone in politics to game the system.

I betcha that's why him and Chretien hated each other so much.

 

[petros]

Vote for me. I'll fix **** by Wednesday afternoon.