Since your doing some adding, did you think how many of the 157 were visible minorities, 2 or 3, that's like 2%, out of a country that has more than 20% Vis mins!!
Volunteer must be good for some !!
Lots of bible thumpers to go around!!
157 Dead Canadian Soldiers Later....
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Volunteer must be good for some !!
Of course the lives lost are very sad, but just a drop in the bucket when compared with those lost skidooing, skiing, mountain climbing, snow boarding, car racing over the past ten years. :smile:
Are you talking about a better life for Canadians or for the poppy growers in Afghanistan? If you are talking about Canadians, show me how they relate.
I'm referring to the Afgans that were helped in some small ( or big) way that made their lives better, even if it was for a short period of time.
Well, from all accounts (from the right wing war supporters) life in Afghanistan was so miserable before the invasion that those who were bombed to smithereens must have been most grateful for having been put out of their misery.
Was it any better after the invasion?
Oh, and what is the opinion of the left wing war supporters??
We've accomplished more than what most would think..... for starters, we showed the rest of the world that when it comes to combat, training and skill, we can still hold our own like we always could, even after so many cut backs and being tossed into peacekeeping for so long.... even if we don't have as many troops or the best technology compared to other nations.
Secondly, we held our own from day one, in one of the most volatile areas of Afghanistan, we gave Afghan troops and police the time to increase their man power, and their training, as well as trained many of them to the point many of their forces can go out on operations and handle things on their own, where a few years back, they'd drop their weapons and run away and NATO troops would have to clean up.
We have indeed built schools, hospitals, and other buildings/institutions, etc. over the years and there has been some level of development. Perhaps not as much as many would be expecting or hoping for, but thems the breaks.
I'm glad our troops are starting to come home and ending their operations in Afghanistan, as I never agreed with us being there in the first place.... but we did what we said we would do..... our troops did what was expected of them, just as they always did in the past.
We did help keep a foot in the door for Afghanistan to have some kind of "Democracy" and some kind of future of their own...... whether they continue with democracy, whether they turn back to the Al'Q or Taliban, whether they toss it all in the crapper and revert back to everything they used to be in the past..... that's up to them, not us and not any other NATO nation.... that's Democracy.
We should not be there for the next 200 years, holding them by the hand to live our way of life.... if they don't want it, then they don't want it and nothing else we do will ever change that.
I didn't like our government throwing our troops into this conflict in the first damn place, but my hat is off to our troops, our men and women for doing what they were ordered to do and doing it to the best of their ability....... and showing that our military can still staple the enemy to the wall by their testicles.
If we had more man power, things could have been much different, but considering the amount of troops that were sent, compared to how many other nations, such as the US have sent over..... we made a huge impact..... and to toss crap at our troops for the sacrafices they have made is not only ignorant, but it's also pathetic.
If you want to get angry at someone, get angry at the politicians who sent them there.
Secondly, we held our own from day one, in one of the most volatile areas of Afghanistan, we gave Afghan troops and police the time to increase their man power, and their training, as well as trained many of them to the point many of their forces can go out on operations and handle things on their own, where a few years back, they'd drop their weapons and run away and NATO troops would have to clean up.
We have indeed built schools, hospitals, and other buildings/institutions, etc. over the years and there has been some level of development. Perhaps not as much as many would be expecting or hoping for, but thems the breaks.
I'm glad our troops are starting to come home and ending their operations in Afghanistan, as I never agreed with us being there in the first place.... but we did what we said we would do..... our troops did what was expected of them, just as they always did in the past.
We did help keep a foot in the door for Afghanistan to have some kind of "Democracy" and some kind of future of their own...... whether they continue with democracy, whether they turn back to the Al'Q or Taliban, whether they toss it all in the crapper and revert back to everything they used to be in the past..... that's up to them, not us and not any other NATO nation.... that's Democracy.
We should not be there for the next 200 years, holding them by the hand to live our way of life.... if they don't want it, then they don't want it and nothing else we do will ever change that.
I didn't like our government throwing our troops into this conflict in the first damn place, but my hat is off to our troops, our men and women for doing what they were ordered to do and doing it to the best of their ability....... and showing that our military can still staple the enemy to the wall by their testicles.
If we had more man power, things could have been much different, but considering the amount of troops that were sent, compared to how many other nations, such as the US have sent over..... we made a huge impact..... and to toss crap at our troops for the sacrafices they have made is not only ignorant, but it's also pathetic.
If you want to get angry at someone, get angry at the politicians who sent them there.
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Well, I don't think it was for nothing. For now, we'll just have to wait and see what ultimately happens.
I'm sure our guys did a lot of good work and helped the innocent ones immensely.
I agree with you on the Libya involvement tho.
After fighting in dry mountains & deserts for so long, I'm sure patrolling snow and ice looking for the odd Russian Sub or Plane would be like a vacation in Jamaica
Not to do the political penis measuring contest thing, but at that same time, Harper as opposition was also crying to send troops to Iraq..... so let's try not to get into this "who was the better man" game, because neither were.
So you are saying the Americans are less capable than Canadians?
So it's OK to allow Kadaffy to continue his reign of terror?
Something like this:
Canadian companies in Libya - Business - CBC News
Makes it a Canadian problem....
I'm thinking more of the common folks, the civilians, many of whom are people just like us, they laugh, they cry, they hurt, they bleed. It's a small world now.