Dunno maybe the stupid fukking Limey can't see a shorter version posted above his post.
12 dead in attack on Paris newspaper; France goes on alert
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Dunno maybe the stupid fukking Limey can't see a shorter version posted above his post.
My report was much better, done professionally by a team of British reporters, who are also right there where it's taking place.
Snipers on board helicopter
Biggest irony of the week (do those in power in Britain really get the idea of free speech whilst appearing to defend it in the wake of the Paris shootings?)
People should be free to offend each other.
- British Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg
We should be very clear this day that these values that we have are not sources of weakness for us, they are sources of strength.
- British Prime Minister David Cameron defending free speech
and then, irony of ironies......
PFA Chief Gordon Taylor apologises for any offence caused after comparing the Hillsborough tragedy to the Ched Evans rape case
- BBC News, today
'They spared me because I am a woman... but said I had to wear a veil': Horrific ordeal of survivors who saw colleagues murdered in Paris attack
Charlie Hebdo reporter, Sigolene Vinson, has revealed how the two masked gunmen who slaughtered her colleagues held a gun to her head, but decided not to kill her. Instead, they ordered her to convert to Islam and 'read the Qu'ran'. Another reporter with the satirical magazine, Laurent Leger, has said they believed the attack was initially a joke, and they mistook the gunfire for 'fire-crackers'. Six of their co-workers were among 12 killed by the gunmen, Said and Cherif Kouachi.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903206/They-spared-woman-said-wear-veil-Horrific-ordeal-Charlie-Hebdo-survivors-saw-colleagues-murdered-attack-brutal-thought-joke.html#ixzz3OK17Mji1
Yeah, you know, because Neil Macdonald, one of the CBC's top reporters, says otherwise.
But what does he know?
You are simply not dealing with reality.
Seriously.
Where is the founder of Draw Mohammed Day?
What happened to the South Park episode that mocked Mohammed?
Oh, I know, she disappeared because she is good and decent and did not want to trouble Muslims by showing her face.
Why does Ayaan Hirsi Ali travel everywhere with bodyguards?
She's just paranoid, I guess. Actually, Theo Van Gogh fell on the knife, and accidentally shot himself. Islam had nothing to do with it, and the note pinned to his chest with a knife saying Ayaan was next was all a lark.
Oh, and the Charlie Hebdo thingy?
Mass suicide.
Here's one for you:
On 15 September, it was reported that the group Islamic State of Iraq had placed a bounty of at least $100,000 on the head of Lars Vilks and 50,000 dollars on Ulf Johansson, editor-in-chief of Nerikes Allehanda. The statement was found in an audio file on an Islamist website and was read by a person who identified himself as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, the purported head of the Islamic State of Iraq. "We announce a reward of $100,000 to anyone who kills this infidel criminal. This reward will be raised to $150,000 if he is slaughtered like a lamb," the statement said. The statement also threatened attacks on Swedish companies unless unspecified "crusaders" issued an apology. Vilks responded to the statement by saying: "I suppose this makes my art project a bit more serious. It's also good to know how much one is worth".[27][28][29]
The United States-based SITE Institute has reported that websites run by militant Islamists have listed the names of over 100 Swedish companies with addresses, maps and logos. The websites called for their readers to boycott these firms and "take revenge" on Sweden for the publication of the drawings.[9]
9 March 2010 arrests
On 9 March 2010, seven people were arrested in the Republic of Ireland over an alleged plot to assassinate Vilks. The arrested were originally from Morocco and Yemen and had refugee status.[32][33][34] Of the seven, three men and two women were arrested in Waterford and Tramore and another man and woman at Ballincollig, near Cork.[33] Garda Síochána (the Irish police force), which conducted the arrests with support from the counter-terror Special Detective Unit and the National Support Services, said the suspects range in age from mid 20's to late 40's.[35] They (Garda Síochána) also added that throughout the investigation they had been "working closely with law enforcement agencies in the United States and in a number of European countries".[35]
The same day, Colleen R. LaRose from the Philadelphia, US, suburbs, had her federal indictment unsealed charging her with trying to recruit Islamic terrorists to murder Vilks.[36]
2010 Stockholm bombings
An e-mail threat sent to a news agency and to the Swedish Security Service just before the 2010 Stockholm bombings occurred made reference to this incident.[37][38]
December 2010 Copenhagen terror arrests
At the time of the December 2010 Copenhagen terror arrests Lars Vilks' home page was subject to a hacker attack. According to Vilks blog, the hacker declared the attacks would be continued with no end and that the targets are Vilks, Kurt Westergaard and Geert Wilders. [39]
2013 Al-Qaeda most wanted
In 2013, cartoonist Stéphane "Charb" Charbonnier was added to Al-Qaeda's most wanted list, along with Lars Vilks and three Jyllands-Posten staff members: Kurt Westergaard, Carsten Juste, and Flemming Rose.[40][41][42] In 2015, 10 journalists and 2 police officers were murdered in Charlie Hebdo's office in Paris.
From wikipedia.....just one newspaper. But you know, no reason to worry
Your foolishness is becoming a little irritating.
THE GUNMEN'S LAST STAND: Charlie Hebdo killers take woman HOSTAGE and are holed up in business premises near Paris airport as they tell police: 'We are ready to die as martyrs'
Did ISIS know Charlie Hebdo was going to be attacked? Fighter posted Twitter message about 'SnailEaters' the day before attack... then bragged hours after slaughter
A hardline jihadi's cryptic tweets have suggested ISIS may have known Charlie Hebdo's Paris offices were going to be attacked prior to the bloody massacre which left 12 dead.
Did ISIS know Charlie Hebdo was going to be attacked? | Daily Mail Online
Did ISIS know Charlie Hebdo was going to be attacked? Fighter posted Twitter message about 'SnailEaters' the day before attack... then bragged hours after slaughter
A hardline jihadi's cryptic tweets have suggested ISIS may have known Charlie Hebdo's Paris offices were going to be attacked prior to the bloody massacre which left 12 dead.
Did ISIS know Charlie Hebdo was going to be attacked? | Daily Mail Online
I think they should throw all Muslims out of France. Call it the Ahmem Merabet Memorial Expulsion Act.
Population control.
It's the libertarian thing to do.
Oh yea, totally forgot about ISIS. They must be feeling lonely in all this.
News:
Charlie Hebdo attack: Suspects cornered with a hostage
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/charlie-hebdo-attack-suspects-cornered-with-a-hostage-1.2894956
It's the libertarian thing to do.
Oh yea, totally forgot about ISIS. They must be feeling lonely in all this.
News:
Charlie Hebdo attack: Suspects cornered with a hostage
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/charlie-hebdo-attack-suspects-cornered-with-a-hostage-1.2894956
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BREAKING NEWS: New terror on streets of Paris as gunman takes 'woman and four children' hostage in kosher grocery - and police fear it is the SAME killer who shot dead policewoman yesterday
It's feared the gunman responsible for killing a policewoman in Paris yesterday has wounded one and taken another hostage in a new shooting in eastern Paris (pictured). It is the third shooting in three days to rock the city after it began with the massacre of 12 at a magazine office on Wednesday. He is suspected the person responsible for the shooting is the same gunman who killed policewoman Clarissa Jean-Philippe yesterday.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903380/Another-gunman-takes-hostage-kosher-grocery-Paris-police-fear-gunman-shot-dead-policewoman-yesterday.html
Police offcers take cover behind a small wall as they face off with the hostage-taker
Armed police face off against the gunman, who is suspected to the person responsible for shooting policewoman Clarissa Jean-Philippe yesterday
People huddle behind a van in Paris' east, where it has been reported a man has taken two people hostage and wounded one
It's feared the gunman responsible for killing a policewoman in Paris yesterday has wounded one and taken another hostage in a new shooting in eastern Paris (pictured). It is the third shooting in three days to rock the city after it began with the massacre of 12 at a magazine office on Wednesday. He is suspected the person responsible for the shooting is the same gunman who killed policewoman Clarissa Jean-Philippe yesterday.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903380/Another-gunman-takes-hostage-kosher-grocery-Paris-police-fear-gunman-shot-dead-policewoman-yesterday.html
"The killings at Rue Nicolas Appert are part of a similar story: the exploitation of religious passions for political ends. This is what separates Islam from violent Islamism (or whatever term one applies to the political ideology that inspires the killing of cartoonists and the Islamic State’s reign of terror). Some Islamists have a history of using blasphemy — real or imagined — to cultivate grievances and motivate political violence. “The phenomenon of outrage over insults to Islam and its final prophet is a function of modern-era politics,” Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s former ambassador to the United States, has explained. “It started during Western colonial rule, with Muslim politicians seeking issues to mobilize their constituents. Secular leaders focused on opposing foreign domination, and Islamists emerged to claim that Islam is not merely a religion but also a political ideology. Threats to the faith became a rallying cry for the Islamists, who sought wedge issues to define their political agenda.”
The appeal of homicidal wedge politics is small in comparison with Islam but large enough to result in a serious global challenge. People who are weary of security measures, government surveillance, drone strikes and proxy wars sometimes complain of “overreaction” to this danger. Until the next attack comes. Free nations face a long-term threat that gathers in jihadist hot spots, targets global capitals, inspires sympathetic murder and uses all the tools of modernity to attack modernity. Murders in the London subway, or on commuter trains in Madrid, or at a French satirical newspaper are shared losses. They cause shared mourning."
The appeal of homicidal wedge politics presents a global challenge - The Washington Post
And before any of the usual suspects start calling Gerson a weak-kneed lefty, you should really look him up.
The appeal of homicidal wedge politics is small in comparison with Islam but large enough to result in a serious global challenge. People who are weary of security measures, government surveillance, drone strikes and proxy wars sometimes complain of “overreaction” to this danger. Until the next attack comes. Free nations face a long-term threat that gathers in jihadist hot spots, targets global capitals, inspires sympathetic murder and uses all the tools of modernity to attack modernity. Murders in the London subway, or on commuter trains in Madrid, or at a French satirical newspaper are shared losses. They cause shared mourning."
The appeal of homicidal wedge politics presents a global challenge - The Washington Post
And before any of the usual suspects start calling Gerson a weak-kneed lefty, you should really look him up.
I'm sick and tired of moronic "left and right" when it comes to matters such as these. Everyday political ideology didn't murder these people, twisted fanatical thinking did. Everyone who endorses such thinking or turns a blind eye to it based on political game playing is complicit as far as I'm concerned. Drawing a picture, regardless of the subject matter, should never result in death. That's freaking insanity.
Which I've never done. Nor would I.
But stereotyping happens because we lack real familiarity and what we are familiar with is decidedly less than pleasant. I'm not condoning stereotyping, don't get me wrong, but we do need to understand where it comes from if we ever want to mitigate it's influence.
Every 'group' has it's extreme crazies. The 'groups' we have more familiarity with we can be a bit more reasoned about because in many ways they are 'our crazies'. We understand the general group dynamic better, we're more easily able to be comfortable with understanding the crazies don't represent the group as a whole.
Both good points.
For my part on the left / right thing, it is mostly to poke fun at how self-proclaimed right actually support authoritarian measures (which is anything but 'right').
Beyond that, it's always better to look at the issue in context, and the reality is that democratic nations are not damaged by any of this. It is the sensational aspect of terrorism which creates the illusion that it does, and in the short term, it is successful at achieving those ends.
Give it another week or two and this will be another isolated event of extremism - which is an unjustifiably horrible act - but will not deter civilized societies from making progress.
I wasn't directing that at you.
Agreed.
Precisely. Some of "them" kill some of "us" and "they" are all scum. Some of "us" kill some of "them" and the killers are misguided, crazy, or otherwise not representative of the group. Unless "we" decide the killers were right. Then it's war. Fun times for all.
It's extremist thinking to either justify or rebut extremist thinking. Sort of like how fighting fire with fire will only make the fire grow bigger.
You can't just simply ignore the fear that it instills in people though. The fear, anxiety, trepidation extend far beyond simple extreme, black and white thinking. Yes, of course we need reasoned, in context views on these incidents but we can't simply ignore the emotional impact either. Given the tactics and often random targets and the brutality associated with these incidents, you can see where they inspire terror. And terror is much easier to flame than reason. It's like any other issue really, it's not the extremist you need to be talking to, it's everyone in the middle for whom fear can and does hold a degree of sway. Brushing it aside too quickly can have the opposite effect than what is intended.
Fair enough, lol, I'm not trying to say that fear is always a rational response.
It's a combination of good PR (read MSM sensational headlines) and again that domestic criminal homicides are "our crazies", we may not like or condone them but to a large degree we do understand them. Same thing with the flu, we've all had the flu. It may factually kill more people every year, but we're more familiar with it so we can be more rational with assessing the threat.
So I'm just getting in ... so what's going on?
Angry white males taking hostages?
No? Ok....
Christians raiding a Kosher grocery store?
No? Ok...
Tea Baggers in a high speed shootout with cops?
No?
Then who could this POSSIBLY BE!
Angry white males taking hostages?
No? Ok....
Christians raiding a Kosher grocery store?
No? Ok...
Tea Baggers in a high speed shootout with cops?
No?
Then who could this POSSIBLY BE!
Absolutely. But they have time and time again shown themselves to be a cowardly lot. CBC posts pictures of "Piss Christ" but won't reprint images of the "Prophet Muhammad." Oh they write beautifully about why they won't print the pictures though.
Actions speak louder than words.
Something the press will never understand.