$10 a Day Child Care

bobnoorduyn

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Does anyone know anyone who provides child care for $10 day? :)


I don't know about $10/day, but Quebec has been offering it for $7/day for ages, just try getting a spot. It is also why it is the most taxed jurisdiction in Canada, even more than NS. And according to some of my Quebec resident coworkers, as much as Quebec is trying to increase their home born Quebecois, the taxes are just plain punitive, you really receive no benefit until your child count hits 5, and the more over that the better. However, once they've flown the coop, you just pay, and pay, and pay, or else move to somewhere West of the Ontario Manitoba border.
 

bobnoorduyn

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The absolute cheapest way to provide child care if for one parent to remain in the home every day and look after the kids. It worked 60 years ago, why not now?


You must remember, I'm what you could call a late boomer and I do. However it was a creeping issue taking decades so it could go largely unnoticed, but I do remember my dad, every spring, working on his taxes, cussing Trudeau and his budget, before finally opening a bottle of Chivas.


Spouses and children were considered dependants and tax deductions were allowed. I don't know when that changed, but they weren't available when our first was born, non refundable tax credits aren't the same, and if I remember they were income tested. The "baby bonus" which was universal, which meant EVERYONE received it regardless of income. That Changed under Mulroney, by Michael Wilson, it became income tested with a cut off level. We received a whopping two cheques before that happened. As it turned out, we were just barely over the income cut off and receive nothing afterward.


Along came Chretien, and Paul Martin budgets, where you could claim child care expenses, but only if both parents worked, and some day care centres were already subsidized by government. The best single income families could hope fore was the equivalent to married non refundable tax credit, which could be applied to only one dependant family member,(nothing for any other dependant children)which amounted to a whopping $935 for the entire year, whoopdy-do.


The tax structure was punitive by its progressiveness, topping out at $66,500/ year, (which also BTW was the max remuneration for elected MP's, over which they received tax free payments for PM, deputy ministers, committee work, Official Opposition positions and such) over which you paid the top marginal rate, in Sask it was 52%. It was a disincentive for a single earner to earn more where 2 incomes could earn less individually, (but more combined)and pay taxes at their individual rates. Had I been able to split my income with my wife, (which some people did because of disgust, by legally separating from their spouse and paying them alimony, yeah, a scam) it would have saved me over $15K per year.


This did a couple of things too, it got more people into the workforce making Chretien and Martin look like heroes. It also spawned an whole new employment title, Early Childhood Educator, and with it a whole new industry.


We are just seeing a continuation of this as people make more demands on the state, and the state is willing to accommodate because it translates into votes.


The other problem it brings is as more people think they have skin in the game the more they believe they have the right to dictate how children are raised. Because of my work my wife was unable to continue with hers and she basically retired 25 years ago and stayed home with the kids. We had no access to reliable day care either, so we moved to the country, we have not had municipal water or sewer for 25 years, and I don't miss it. We had no government assistance in raising our kids either, and they grew up to understand independence. But that was our choice.


I have no issue in the government offering tax deductions for dependants living at home, provided it is universal, because as I see it, it is just the government taking less of what you earn. I do have an issue with government handouts and those who demand it, in effect taking more of what we earn to give someone else, which is increasingly more the Canadian Way. For them I have a few cans of KMA I can send.

Grandparents


What?? And to think we've been doing for free.
 

Curious Cdn

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$10.00 a day is about the right rate to pay children who oil moving machinery. I'm all for it!
 

Tecumsehsbones

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damngrumpy

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I don't have kids and that anymore they all grew up but I do believe
the system can work and society benefits from the investment today.
We have people out there who don't want to pay for medicare as a
collective system or education and so on and it is time to rethink the
social landscape in this country. For far too long the tax breaks have
gone to business and the wealthy with the idea they would reinvest in
the country didn't happen
 

JLM

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I don't have kids and that anymore they all grew up but I do believe
the system can work and society benefits from the investment today.
We have people out there who don't want to pay for medicare as a
collective system or education and so on and it is time to rethink the
social landscape in this country. For far too long the tax breaks have
gone to business and the wealthy with the idea they would reinvest in
the country didn't happen


I don't have a problem with taxing a person (rich or poor) for something they use and get value from! I do have a problem with taxing a person solely because he's rich. He should be taxed to the extent of the value of the services he uses.
 

JamesBondo

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I have to admit that I'm arriving late to this thread. I love my child too much to want him in a day care system with actual operating costs at $10 per day.I will assume that everyone here is the same. You want the full deal but you don't want to pay for it. Which means someone else is paying for you.
I am not completely against this. I can see some advantages to this system. BUT I also see a few things I disagree with. NOT everyone needs a subsidy, and not everyone deserves a subsidy. And, frankly, it is a good thing that we live in society were grandma and grandpa watch their grand children. There are some elderly that can't or won't. That is fine, I am not suggesting that we change that. but to foster a culture where no one does would be a shame.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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It's ironic, SOME people want a high paying job so they can provide the best for their kids, while not really giving a f**k who raises them.
Well, to be fair, my mother had no job at all, and didn't give a f*ck who raised us, so it ain't just high-income folks.