10.5 million dollar compensation offer too Omar Khadr

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Do you think that minor children should be held responsible and made to suffer because of the sins of the parents causing the perpetuation of this behaviour for future generations?

I think that it happens everyday, that criminals and killers and terrorists are made in part because of poor decisions on the part of parents, but the point is that we can not compensate or protect everyone. What makes Omar Khadr any different from the kid who grows up in a Toronto Gang or the Hells Angel member whose old man kicked his ass or the child that is molested?

They took him out of Canada. They taught him to be a bomb maker and an an enemy of the state. Why should we have to pay for the sins of his family?

 

[chris_s]

Democracy, rights and freedoms and accountability only mean something when it isn't easy. If the government gets to pick and choose when to "grant us" our rights and freedoms, then they aren't worth anything. Politicians are usually inclined to take the easy way out. They need to be applauded when they do the right thing, especially when they know that it probably won't be popular.

Why was this the right thing:

• The Government anticipated losing in court and having to pay more than what they agreed to pay. We generally seem to want the government to operate like a business and spend out tax money well. Settling in a case like this is what a business would do.
• His rights were violated by the Government (as confirmed by the Supreme Court).
• He was a child at the time directed by adults. He can't be held to the same standard as an adult who is acting on his own.
• We aren't condoning the actions of the adults in this and we aren't even dealing with his actual guilt or innocence. It is the action/inaction of the Government that is in question.
• His confession was extracted through torture. That makes it very questionable. It would not be admissible in any normal court of law. As far as I know, the charges weren't independently proven.
• It is important that the Government be accountable. Politicians and Bureaucrats can't be allowed to use the power of the Government and their positions to bully, mistreat and stonewall citizens. Personally, I'd rather see those who made the decisions fined or put in jail but that isn't how it works (unfortunately).

I know that many people don't get this and are quite prepared to support situational ethics rather than basic principles. A strong democracy has to stick by its principles, even when it isn't easy.

 

[spaminator]

Trudeau stiffens defence of $10.5M payment to Omar Khadr | Canada | News | Toron

 

[mentalfloss]

This is going to blow up in the Conservatives' faces.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Justin Trudeau offers strongest defence yet of Omar Khadr settlement at Calgary Stampede

Justin Trudeau offered his strongest defence yet of his government’s $10.5 million settlement with Omar Khadr on Saturday, saying he hopes it serves as an example to future governments.
“When governments violate Canadians’ fundamental rights there have to be consequences and we hope that the message going forward to all future governments is: you can not ignore or be complicit in the violation of Canadians fundamental rights, regardless of what they did,” said Trudeau.
The prime minister spoke at the Indian Village on the Calgary Stampede grounds, initially reiterating what he’s been saying for the past few days: he understands why people are frustrated but he thinks the government would have lost the case to Khadr if they had fought in court, and it would have cost between $30-40 million in the process. Trudeau then went on to offer the more strident human rights defence.
Trudeau spent the day in Calgary, attending two pancake breakfasts in the morning before visiting the Indian Village in the afternoon and rounding off the day at the rodeo.
He’s faced widespread criticism over the past few days over the Khadr payment. Khadr fought against coalition forces in Afghanistan as a 15 year old, before being sent to Guantanamo Bay where he was repeatedly tortured.
The prime minister initially wasn’t planning on coming to Stampede this year due to a scheduling conflict with the United States’ National Governors Association conference in Rhode Island. However, he managed to get all his meetings at the conference, including a sit-down with vice-president Mike Pence, scheduled for Friday, freeing him up to spend time in Calgary on Saturday.
The prime minister largely had a friendly reception in the city, although he spent most of his time in solid Liberal territory.
Trudeau started the day by meeting Mayor Naheed Nenshi, where the prime minister said he’s lost a few cowboy hats “that supposedly floated.” Neither the mayor nor the prime minister took any questions from the press.
Next he went to the Marda Loop Communities Association Stampede breakfast with Liberal Calgary Centre MP, and Veterans Affairs Minister, Kent Hehr. The prime minister was greeted by a little girl in a pink cowboy hat whose cast he signed and a little boy who got him to sign a copy of the Marvel Civil War comic book where Trudeau appears on the cover as part of the Canadian super hero team Alpha Fight.
Trudeau declined to weigh in on the decision of Tom Mulcair, and all the candidates running for the federal NDP leadership to skip Stampede, simply saying: “I’m not going to comment on decisions that other political parties make.”
He said that several people teased him about his failure to mention Alberta during a Canada Day speech, but they were generally understanding of his explanation that it was a honest mistake.

Because it wouldn't bold in the quote the key phrase in the article IMO is He thinks the Gov. would have lost in court and thinks it would have cost up to $40 million

 

[Jinentonix]

Do you think that minor children should be held responsible and made to suffer because of the sins of the parents causing the perpetuation of this behaviour for future generations?

Trudeau certainly thinks so. Dozens of people have been deported without a hearing because their parents lied on their entry documents on their behalf when they were kids. Think about it. You've been living here as a citizen for 40 years and suddenly you're being given the boot because of something your parents did when you were a kid.
But if you're a muslim piece of shit, you get awarded millions for having a terrorist family who indoctrinated you AND your family gets to stay here.

So, to sum up stupid's attitude towards citizenship; Liars or those whose parents were liars are a far, far bigger affront to our values than islamic terrorism and therefore they must be removed from the country before they taint our values. Kind of ironic that Trulydumb would have such an issue with a little misrepresentation when he completely misrepresented himself while campaigning. Kind'a funny too that Monsef, who also falls into that category of parents who lied on her entry documents, not only gets to stay, but gets to keep her nice, cushy cabinet appointment.

It's no wonder Flosstard loves the guy. They're both brutally hypocritical douchenozzles.

 

[JLM]

Trudeau certainly thinks so. Dozens of people have been deported without a hearing because their parents lied on their entry documents on their behalf when they were kids. Think about it. You've been living here as a citizen for 40 years and suddenly you're being given the boot because of something your parents did when you were a kid.
But if you're a muslim piece of shit, you get awarded millions for having a terrorist family who indoctrinated you AND your family gets to stay here.

So, to sum up stupid's attitude towards citizenship; Liars or those whose parents were liars are a far, far bigger affront to our values than islamic terrorism and therefore they must be removed from the country before they taint our values. Kind of ironic that Trulydumb would have such an issue with a little misrepresentation when he completely misrepresented himself while campaigning. Kind'a funny too that Monsef, who also falls into that category of parents who lied on her entry documents, not only gets to stay, but gets to keep her nice, cushy cabinet appointment.

It's no wonder Flosstard loves the guy. They're both brutally hypocritical douchenozzles.

Well, I think every case has to be judged on its own merits and to be judged properly all the details have to be known, but you are right on the mark as far as the offspring of offenders go.

 

[JamesBondo]

When he doesn't send 1 dollar to the widow in the USA, the world will know that he is a bag of shit.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Canadians Raise Money For U.S. Soldier's Family After Khadr Settlement

TORONTO — Canadians across the country have been reaching into their wallets to donate money to the family of an American soldier whom Omar Khadr is accused of killing in Afghanistan 15 years ago.
The online fundraising effort — part political protest, part generosity — comes amid a furor over the $10.5 million sources said the federal government paid Khadr for breaching his rights while he was an American prisoner at Guantanamo Bay.
Jerome Dondo, of St. Claude, Man., who said he donated $10 to the campaign, decried the federal payout while the widow and children of U.S. special forces soldier Sgt. Chris Speer were fighting in Canadian court for that money.
"The Canadian government should have at least waited until a court decision was made before sending the payment," said Dondo, a married accountant with nine children. "This was my way of showing the Speer family support for their loss.

 

[chris_s]

I'm sure that many people who express strong (negative) opinions on this topic don't understand much about the child-soldier situation (and may not care as long as they can express their opinion). I admit that I didn't and still only have a superficial understanding. It is estimated that there are as many as 300,000 child soldiers involved with conflicts around the world. 40% of armed forces (including terrorist groups, of course) recruit children. They are used as cannon fodder. Children are easier to manipulate than adults so unscrupulous adults take advantage of that. These children are still children and they are being abused. Should we not be more concerned with that big picture than the specific case of one abused child soldier?

 

[mentalfloss]

Canadians Raise Money For U.S. Soldier's Family After Khadr Settlement

No further trial necessary then.

 

[Twin_Moose]

No further trial necessary then.

Maybe Kadhr could make a donation since he is reformed

 

[JamesBondo]

Maybe Kadhr could make a donation since he is reformed

That would encourage me to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, currently he has money and has not sent 1 dollar.

 

[TenPenny]

That would encourage me to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, currently he has money and has not sent 1 dollar.

How much have you sent?

 

[Twin_Moose]

$50.00

 

[JamesBondo]

How much have you sent?

50 dollars

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I'm sure that many people who express strong (negative) opinions on this topic don't understand much about the child-soldier situation (and may not care as long as they can express their opinion). I admit that I didn't and still only have a superficial understanding. It is estimated that there are as many as 300,000 child soldiers involved with conflicts around the world. 40% of armed forces (including terrorist groups, of course) recruit children. They are used as cannon fodder. Children are easier to manipulate than adults so unscrupulous adults take advantage of that. These children are still children and they are being abused. Should we not be more concerned with that big picture than the specific case of one abused child soldier?

Do we have enough money to give them all $10.5 million dollars?

 

[Angstrom]

I'm sure that many people who express strong (negative) opinions on this topic don't understand much about the child-soldier situation (and may not care as long as they can express their opinion). I admit that I didn't and still only have a superficial understanding. It is estimated that there are as many as 300,000 child soldiers involved with conflicts around the world. 40% of armed forces (including terrorist groups, of course) recruit children. They are used as cannon fodder. Children are easier to manipulate than adults so unscrupulous adults take advantage of that. These children are still children and they are being abused. Should we not be more concerned with that big picture than the specific case of one abused child soldier?

Fuk those 300000 children soldiers, they aren't girls. No inquiry needed.

 

[White_Unifier]

Fuk those 300000 children soldiers, they aren't girls. No inquiry needed.

You're a real sweetheart aren't ya.

 

[Curious Cdn]

I'm sure that many people who express strong (negative) opinions on this topic don't understand much about the child-soldier situation (and may not care as long as they can express their opinion). I admit that I didn't and still only have a superficial understanding. It is estimated that there are as many as 300,000 child soldiers involved with conflicts around the world. 40% of armed forces (including terrorist groups, of course) recruit children. They are used as cannon fodder. Children are easier to manipulate than adults so unscrupulous adults take advantage of that. These children are still children and they are being abused. Should we not be more concerned with that big picture than the specific case of one abused child soldier?

My grandmother's brother joined the Royal Canadian Artillery at Fort George in 1915. He was born in 1900. Many thousands of others did the same. I don't know how much of the Canadian Corps in WWI was under age but I 'd hazard a guess that it was between 5% and 10% of them. My Great Uncle was a muleskinner ... that is, he drove teams of horses resupplying the trenches and limbering guns. He was in every battle that the Canadian Corps. were in, right up to the end. We had thousands of child soldiers fighting for this country early in the twentieth century. They cracked down on it while recruiting for WWII but it isn't that far behind us. I personally knew a Canadian child soldier.